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Message 2064 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 21:31:18 UTC
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I have noticed that I have a bunch of WU's where the wingman has errored out or aborted that have not been re-issued after several days. Is this a bug in the software or just an ugly coincidence?
Out of 282 pending results:
101 complete and had a wingman fail, not re-issued.
56 complete but never sent to anyone else.
125 complete with a wingman working.

Note- Checked because my "pendings" have doubled in the last 2 days.
PS- I can post a list if you would like.

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Message 2066 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 21:49:44 UTC - in response to Message 2064.  

I have noticed that I have a bunch of WU's where the wingman has errored out or aborted that have not been re-issued after several days.

A list would be nice...

But do know that Cosmo is still a beta project. Not that many computers around. Even hampered by the fact that you have 13 computers, most of them Duo and More core.

Why did you attach them all to a Beta project that uses Homogeneous Redundancy?
The only way that your credits can be caught before we go to a full project, is by you running all your results alone again.
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Message 2068 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 22:22:29 UTC - in response to Message 2066.  
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most of them Duo and More core.

Why did you attach them all to a Beta project that uses Homogeneous Redundancy?
The only way that your credits can be caught before we go to a full project, is by you running all your results alone again.


I have all my "More Core" Computers Attached to the Project, I don't see anything wrong with that if a person wants to do that. As far as the pending Credits go if they are not processed by someone else it's no big loss, I've lost way more Credit at other Projects than I would lose here at the Moment.

If it weren't for some of us that do that some of these Alpha - Beta projects wouldn't be getting anything done WU wise ...

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Message 2069 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 22:23:06 UTC

I just increased my share for this project across my 12 machines. Maybe that will help.

In any case, I am seeing the same problem. The wing man failed, replacement result sits unsent. This is a windows 32 bit machine with a Pentium D. Nothing exotic. The wing man failed on 08/11, so it's been 6 days.

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Message 2074 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 22:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 2066.  

I have noticed that I have a bunch of WU's where the wingman has errored out or aborted that have not been re-issued after several days.

A list would be nice...

But do know that Cosmo is still a beta project. Not that many computers around. Even hampered by the fact that you have 13 computers, most of them Duo and More core.

Why did you attach them all to a Beta project that uses Homogeneous Redundancy?
The only way that your credits can be caught before we go to a full project, is by you running all your results alone again.


I read always Beta! I thought Cosmo is still in Alpha!?
Or have I missed something?

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Message 2076 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 22:36:31 UTC
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I read always Beta! I thought Cosmo is still in Alpha!?
Or have I missed something?


Alpha - Beta = Samo Samo, theres not much difference really. A lot of the Projects when they go Public or Live theres not much difference than when they were Alpha - Beta Projects either from my experiences with them ... :)
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Message 2077 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 22:39:01 UTC - in response to Message 2076.  

I read always Beta! I thought Cosmo is still in Alpha!?
Or have I missed something?


Alpha - Beta = Samo Samo, theres not much difference really ... :)


Well... There´s a big difference! One starts with A, the other one with B... ;-)
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Message 2078 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 22:39:50 UTC - in response to Message 2066.  
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I have noticed that I have a bunch of WU's where the wingman has errored out or aborted that have not been re-issued after several days.

A list would be nice...

But do know that Cosmo is still a beta project. Not that many computers around. Even hampered by the fact that you have 13 computers, most of them Duo and More core.

Why did you attach them all to a Beta project that uses Homogeneous Redundancy?
The only way that your credits can be caught before we go to a full project, is by you running all your results alone again.

One of the objects of beta testing is to attempt to break the system. I'm giving it my best shot!

PS- not 13 "real" computers. Some (5) are virtual machines put on line for testing. For instance MacLin-32, MacWin-32, MacLin-64a, MacLin-64b, MacLin-64c are all the same machine (CES-Mac, Mac Pro). Be happy we don't support FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, and Mac also- I'd have them running too!

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Message 2081 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 23:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 2077.  
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I read always Beta! I thought Cosmo is still in Alpha!?
Or have I missed something?


Alpha - Beta = Samo Samo, theres not much difference really ... :)


Well... There´s a big difference! One starts with A, the other one with B... ;-)


hehe ... Well they should just go up the Alphabet, Alpha - Beta - Crash & Down because that's how a lot of the Projects seem to go ... ;)
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Message 2086 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 23:19:16 UTC - in response to Message 2081.  

I read always Beta! I thought Cosmo is still in Alpha!?
Or have I missed something?


Alpha - Beta = Samo Samo, theres not much difference really ... :)


Well... There´s a big difference! One starts with A, the other one with B... ;-)


hehe ... Well they should just go up the Alphabet, Alpha - Beta - Crash & Down because that's how a lot of the Projects seem to go ... ;)

* Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing, before the software goes to beta testing.
* Beta testing comes after alpha testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the company. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Sometimes, beta versions are made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users.


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Message 2093 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 0:59:00 UTC - in response to Message 2086.  
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* Beta testing comes after alpha testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the company. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Sometimes, beta versions are made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users.


Tell that to Google. :D

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Message 2096 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 1:24:21 UTC - in response to Message 2078.  

Still.. Why attach
PS- not 13 "real" computers. Some (5) are virtual machines put on line for testing. For instance MacLin-32, MacWin-32, MacLin-64a, MacLin-64b, MacLin-64c are all the same machine (CES-Mac, Mac Pro). Be happy we don't support FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, and Mac also- I'd have them running too!
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Message 2098 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 1:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 2086.  
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I read always Beta! I thought Cosmo is still in Alpha!?
Or have I missed something?


Alpha - Beta = Samo Samo, theres not much difference really ... :)


Well... There´s a big difference! One starts with A, the other one with B... ;-)


hehe ... Well they should just go up the Alphabet, Alpha - Beta - Crash & Down because that's how a lot of the Projects seem to go ... ;)

* Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing, before the software goes to beta testing.
* Beta testing comes after alpha testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the company. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Sometimes, beta versions are made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users.

Agreed.

This last set of definitions also accurately describes these terms as used in a hardware (not nescessarily I.T.) development project.

The alpha product is the final finished working protype that resides in-house (the culmination of the R & D effort).

The beta product will then be the initial limited release product to specific qualified cutomer intallation(s).

After validation on/at the beta site(s), the product then goes to full manufacturing release (RTM).

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Message 2099 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 2:24:02 UTC - in response to Message 2096.  

Still.. Why attach
PS- not 13 "real" computers. Some (5) are virtual machines put on line for testing. For instance MacLin-32, MacWin-32, MacLin-64a, MacLin-64b, MacLin-64c are all the same machine (CES-Mac, Mac Pro). Be happy we don't support FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, and Mac also- I'd have them running too!
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I believe you are missing the issue. There are plenty of machines that match up to the ones I am showing as unsent. I believe you could have a scheduler issue. (That is the point of beta projects to find that type of thing, isn't it?).



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Message 2102 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 4:34:12 UTC - in response to Message 2096.  

Still.. Why attach to a project you know is ONLY a Beta project and runs with HR?


If it wasn't for people attaching a wide variety of systems to alpha/beta projects, the developers would never be able to work the bugs out of the system. Additionally, the reception the alpha/beta testers receive will play a large part in how well the Boinc community takes to the project later. Drive away the testers, and you will never make anything of a project.

With that said, even with the few, modest systems I have attached, I also have Pending Credits with no wingman ... It isn't a problem with the number of systems each participant has attached ...


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Message 2103 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 5:09:05 UTC

I too have a bunch of pending WUs. Several were sent to people and it lists them as a downloading error. Several others the wingman detached and it hasn't been sent out again (been a few days). Right now I am just guessing that they are lined up in the queue and will be re-issued. I'm guessing that the change in the URL caused many people to detach and thus abort their cache of WUs. If I don't see them sent out again in a couple of days I will post them.
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Message 2107 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 7:43:49 UTC

The scheduler seems to have a wacky way of distributing work. It's supposed to send out high-priority work first, then the oldest work next. Since nearly every WU has equal priority, the oldest work should be send out first. Clearly, something is going wrong with this scheme. For now, I'm going to try to make the older WUs have a higher priority than the others and see if that gets them to ship out.
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I too have a bunch of pending WUs. Several were sent to people and it lists them as a downloading error. Several others the wingman detached and it hasn't been sent out again (been a few days). Right now I am just guessing that they are lined up in the queue and will be re-issued. I'm guessing that the change in the URL caused many people to detach and thus abort their cache of WUs. If I don't see them sent out again in a couple of days I will post them.


I suspect there a 3 or 4 things that have caused an Increase in the Pending Credits. Mine have gone up 4 Fold over the last 5 or 6 days.

1. The French Team's Participation has dropped way off from where it was. Hard to say how many of them just dumped the Wu's they had instead of running them out.

2. The Change in the URL like you said has some people just Detaching from the Project with Wu's still in their Cache & then Reattaching. I ran all mine out except for 1 PC because I made a Boo Boo on that 1 and the Wu's got Aborted by the Server for some reason.

3. The Drop in the Credits Granted from 60 to 50 more than likely caused a few people to leave the Project again just dumping Wu's when they left. Like it or not as the Credit drops so will the Participation, whats enough for some people isn't for others when they can get more from some of the other Projects.

4. Probably some other reason too but I can't think of any right now ... :)

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I too have a bunch of pending WUs. Several were sent to people and it lists them as a downloading error. Several others the wingman detached and it hasn't been sent out again (been a few days). Right now I am just guessing that they are lined up in the queue and will be re-issued. I'm guessing that the change in the URL caused many people to detach and thus abort their cache of WUs. If I don't see them sent out again in a couple of days I will post them.


I suspect there a 3 or 4 things that have caused an Increase in the Pending Credits. Mine have gone up 4 Fold over the last 5 or 6 days.

1. The French Team's Participation has dropped way off from where it was. Hard to say how many of them just dumped the Wu's they had instead of running them out.

2. The Change in the URL like you said has some people just Detaching from the Project with Wu's still in their Cache & then Reattaching. I ran all mine out except for 1 PC because I made a Boo Boo on that 1 and the Wu's got Aborted by the Server for some reason.

3. The Drop in the Credits Granted from 60 to 50 more than likely caused a few people to leave the Project again just dumping Wu's when they left. Like it or not as the Credit drops so will the Participation, whats enough for some people isn't for others when they can get more from some of the other Projects.

4. Probably some other reason too but I can't think of any right now ... :)



I noticed the French reduction. In fact many of my pending WUs had been sent to their team members. Any idea why they jumped ship? Several of my WUs are in jeopardy of having too many error results because of this and the detaching/re-attaching. (I admit I aborted some WUs on my one machine before I realized that it would abort them when I detached.) Funny thing is that many of them say there was a d/l error not aborted. http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=384914

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Message 2129 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 4:59:07 UTC - in response to Message 2127.  

I too have a bunch of pending WUs. Several were sent to people and it lists them as a downloading error. Several others the wingman detached and it hasn't been sent out again (been a few days). Right now I am just guessing that they are lined up in the queue and will be re-issued. I'm guessing that the change in the URL caused many people to detach and thus abort their cache of WUs. If I don't see them sent out again in a couple of days I will post them.


I suspect there a 3 or 4 things that have caused an Increase in the Pending Credits. Mine have gone up 4 Fold over the last 5 or 6 days.

1. The French Team's Participation has dropped way off from where it was. Hard to say how many of them just dumped the Wu's they had instead of running them out.

2. The Change in the URL like you said has some people just Detaching from the Project with Wu's still in their Cache & then Reattaching. I ran all mine out except for 1 PC because I made a Boo Boo on that 1 and the Wu's got Aborted by the Server for some reason.

3. The Drop in the Credits Granted from 60 to 50 more than likely caused a few people to leave the Project again just dumping Wu's when they left. Like it or not as the Credit drops so will the Participation, whats enough for some people isn't for others when they can get more from some of the other Projects.

4. Probably some other reason too but I can't think of any right now ... :)



This would account for pending where one is waiting for his wing man to return. However, the problem I *think* this thread is about, is where there is no wing man yet, because the second result hasn't been issued, or re-issued yet.
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