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Message 5548 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 1:14:12 UTC
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Anyone care to recommend another project with a 64 bit app? I have a number of rigs looking for a new home.


ABC, PrimeGrid (Sieve Wu\'s), Riesel Sieve (Sieve Wu\'s), APS (No Work at the moment though) all have True 64 Bit Applications that I have run before. I\'ve had to switch a few PC\'s to other Projects too because they\'ve run out with no real hope of getting anymore I suspect or very few @ best until things are fixed.
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Message 5549 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 1:14:22 UTC - in response to Message 5546.  



Anyone care to recommend another project with a 64 bit app? I have a number of rigs looking for a new home.

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There is at least a score of projects with 64 bit.

My suggestion is hook up at a stats site (like my sig) ...most of em have a page that links you to the homepage of every project and then look under applications on the homepage of the project that interests you to find the 64 bits. There are way too many good ones out there and you should make your own choice...the stat sites can also show you what stage the project is and how active it is....hope that helps for those looking for work.
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Message 5550 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 1:47:49 UTC - in response to Message 5547.  


There is an assertion that downloading work has been a hassle for a very long time. I find that to be untrue


I do believe the are plenty of Participants still around that remember the almost weekly Friday Night Work Outages because the Server wouldn\'t send any work to anybody. I didn\'t run the Project for awhile so it could have been better during that period, but since I\'ve came back the problem is still there to me it seems.


I had my Intel system completely on \"auto-pilot\" since I switched it full-time here from SETI, up until this past 7-10 days. It did its\' thing. I had no problems getting work, processing work, or reporting work.

Where I used to work, this guy who did car stereo installations went out to my car with me during our break to assess the situation for what we were going to do during lunch. We spent about 10 minutes at my car, and then went back inside. His boss left for a meeting at another location and saw us in the parking lot while we were at my car during that 10 minute period. We worked for another hour at our desks, then took lunch. About 30 minutes later, his boss came back from the meeting and saw us at my car \"again\". The boss made the instant assumption that we had been out there for the duration. His boss wrote him up and was kind enough to inform my boss that he should write me up for the same thing, which was taking roughly 2 hours for lunch. My boss came to ask me about it, and I told him what really had happened. As for the other guy, he had waited too long to get irritated enough about how he was assumed to be guilty, as the company had security camera footage that would\'ve shown that he and I were telling the truth, but they only kept it for 4-5 days. He also didn\'t want me to get involved with it, so he just took his lumps...

You may want to consider that because you see the same event at two different points in time it does not mean that the event has been happening continuously between the two points in time...


But like you say I\'m way over stating my Pending Credits and probably only have a couple hundred if that many even ... :)


Nice sarcastic comeback. Hope you didn\'t just toss out the point I was trying to make because you want to complain... I\'m complaining too, and I think all of us have a right to complain. I just wish people wouldn\'t make wild over (or sarcastic under) exaggerations...
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Message 5551 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 2:12:44 UTC - in response to Message 5546.  
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Brian and PB; I just put together another rig and have been trying to get work. I have gotten as may as six WU\'s by trying a combination of Boinc 5.10.30/5.10.45, www.cosom..., and cosmo...., adjusting my local preferences, resetting the project, detaching/reattaching and retrying communications. I get \"there is work but it is committed to other platforms\", \"no work sent\", or \"server cannot open the database\".

No luck. The server is clearly on its weekend schedule,


I guess nobody has stopped to think about what the \"other platforms\" thing means? HR is enabled for this project. Since this new system is an AMD, you\'re probably going to have a harder time than an Intel, considering Intels are the \"other platform\" in a majority of cases. Detaching and reattaching is futile, and if stopping to think about it, one can probably figure out the futility of it. This isn\'t to say that I haven\'t done pointless things in the past or won\'t do them in the future. As an example, I shut the door from the finished part of the basement into the unfinished part last night, just to have to open it again and shut it again as I was going back upstairs. Normally this would\'ve been the right thing to do, because it is done to keep the cats from going out into the unfinished part. The cats had just been put to bed, so the need to make sure that they wouldn\'t get into the basement did not exist, but I did it out of habit. The instant I shut the door though, it dawned on me that I didn\'t need to have done it...

Anyway, I know what I have to say irritates folks from time to time, hence I\'ve tried to throw in the self-deprecating humorous \"Q-TIPS\" / \"Q-TIPP\" stuff. Generally speaking, I pride myself on being an EOO (Equal Opportunity Offender)... ;-)
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Message 5552 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 2:44:16 UTC - in response to Message 5551.  

Ahhhhhhh......cats. Anyway, if you browse throught the top 200 computers on this
project, you might stumble upon some AMD rigs identified to \"anonymous\" and running Linux. They might be AMD 3600x2\'s and they might be be outperforming some stock Intel quads. They be mine. If the project is committing work to
other platforms, these little 3600\'s certainly know nothing about that. I suggest you try again.

Ahhhhh....doors.

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Message 5553 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 2:51:28 UTC - in response to Message 5546.  

Whats the Point in having a Urgent Problems Thread when it\'s quite obvious nothing about this Project is very Urgent to anybody that has to fix the Urgent Problems.


Brian and PB; I just put together another rig and have been trying to get work. I have gotten as may as six WU\'s by trying a combination of Boinc 5.10.30/5.10.45, www.cosom..., and cosmo...., adjusting my local preferences, resetting the project, detaching/reattaching and retrying communications. I get \"there is work but it is committed to other platforms\", \"no work sent\", or \"server cannot open the database\".

No luck. The server is clearly on its weekend schedule, and the software suffers from bit rot. First we had St Pattys fun, then Easter fun, and now we have Opening day weekend fun. My new rig is an AMD Brisbane core X2 4400 (59.00-free ship) running At 3ghz, pushing 64 bit Linux. What a waste of resources. The most urgent problem this project has is lack of attention, but not from the volunteers who in most cases are busting their butt just trying to push a few volts their way.

Anyone care to recommend another project with a 64 bit app? I have a number of rigs looking for a new home.

Voltron




> This morning I also had the problem of not being able to report work due to \"Server cannot open database\".
Thankfully this rectified itself after about 1 to 2 hours and work then reported.
Strange how it only affected one of my computers though.

Something is now happening with the project as I just had a WU aborted by the Project dated 22/3/08.
Only the one WU and none of the 9/3/08 ones were cancelled, of which I have processed quite a few recently.
I have only had one of the looping ones which I aborted when I found it, but now a number of those older ones are failing validation even when both parties have what appears to be the same WU type and result.

And yes Poorboy the pace of this Web site has been so slow I have had to forget it and go somewhere else, no matter what time of day or night.
It is a bit better at the moment.
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Message 5554 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 2:52:32 UTC

There IS a problem: I have been running 100% Cosmology on two dual-cores (2.66 & 1.9+) for several days without fault. Today however I noticed over 112 WUs awaiting validation. Checking statistics, I found not a single credit granted permanently for over 48 hours. Further, the Cosmology web site is grossly slow and it is problematic that access to my account or forum would succeed at all. It appears though that new units are being received as older units are finished and uploaded.

As it is Friday night in Austin, Texas and likewise in Illinois, I doubt anything will be done for some time. I am continuing to crunch on both computers because the 26 March news release assured us all that nothing will be lost.

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Message 5556 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 3:06:13 UTC - in response to Message 5552.  
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Ahhhhhhh......cats. Anyway, if you browse throught the top 200 computers on this
project, you might stumble upon some AMD rigs identified to \"anonymous\" and running Linux. They might be AMD 3600x2\'s and they might be be outperforming some stock Intel quads. They be mine. If the project is committing work to
other platforms, these little 3600\'s certainly know nothing about that. I suggest you try again.

Ahhhhh....doors.

Regards; Voltron


The top participants/computers lists are not what matters. What matters is this pie chart:


What this means that for every 1 AMD system that is out there, there are 2 Intel systems. As such, AMD systems have a lower statistical chance of getting work in a \"tight squeeze\" environment if many of the current incoming requests are from Intel systems. What HR (Homogeneous Redundancy) does is it sends tasks to \"like\" processors. I believe it also sends to the same OS. Anyway, just looking at the CPU level, if an Intel host comes and gets the \"0\" (first iteration) result of a workunit, then all other iterations of that workunit by default will be assigned to an Intel host, and if you have an AMD, well, that means you\'re out of luck for that one... I\'ll need to check some more on if there is a check for the OS as well. If so, then your AMD system running Linux instead of Windows will have an even smaller statistical chance of getting cpu-type work already destined for AMD systems.

Now, I don\'t know the \"finer points\" of the HR system, but I would assume that it would have minimum threshold levels where it would reserve some work for a specific architecture. My Intel host has seen the \"other platforms\" messages too, but not very often. This demonstrates my point, that an Intel host has an advantage over an AMD host in low work environments...


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Message 5562 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 10:38:37 UTC
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\"March 26, 2008 Keep on Crunching!\" ={
\"please don\'t worry that your time here at Cosmology@Home is wasted.\"

Well, I sure hope not! Shame that someone couldn\'t have at least made a single post over the last couple days to say they are alive, or working on it, or not...whatever. Just any communication would sure have been appreciated.

Since I can actually navigate the website atm, albeit at something approaching dialup speeds I checked out my pendings tab. Currently 163 WUs pending. :(

Ya know I really don\'t mind the problems...Everyone has problems from time to time, right? Until recently I have had a very positive experience with this project.

It is the ABSENCE of communication that has made me reevaluate if I really want this to be my pet project. Sorry to vent just wanted to chime in and say heck, just post SOMETHING. I don\'t think anyone expects you to say, \"ok all fixed\". However how long does it take to give us....idunno an update, some encouragement, something.

Still getting the \"exited with zero status\" error intermittently across all platforms.

edit to add: It isn\'t wasted time that is worriesome per say..more so wasted $$electricity ;)
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Message 5565 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 11:26:52 UTC
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Since I can actually navigate the website atm, albeit at something approaching dialup speeds I checked out my pendings tab. Currently 163 WUs pending. :(


Well at least you can get into your Pending Wu\'s Page, I haven\'t been able to for about 2 days now. I\'d put a Figure on how much I have in there but won\'t because I\'d either way Over or Under Estimate it and then Brian would have to correct me again with some sort of Mystic Life Experience he\'s had ... ;)

So it\'s Be Happy & Don\'t Worry, we\'ll all get together later when Scott gets here wth the MarshMellows & sing the Kumbya Song around the Campfire ... :)
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Message 5568 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 12:39:03 UTC - in response to Message 5565.  

Since I can actually navigate the website atm, albeit at something approaching dialup speeds I checked out my pendings tab. Currently 163 WUs pending. :(


Well at least you can get into your Pending Wu\'s Page, I haven\'t been able to for about 2 days now. I\'d put a Figure on how much I have in there but won\'t because I\'d either way Over or Under Estimate it and then Brian would have to correct me again with some sort of Mystic Life Experience he\'s had ... ;)

So it\'s Be Happy & Don\'t Worry, we\'ll all get together later when Scott gets here wth the MarshMellows & sing the Kumbya Song around the Campfire ... :)


If you would like to unhide your computers, I\'ll be happy to go in and count one by one for you, since you have not stated that you are unable to access the computer pages...

BTW, I knew someone would get all snarky about what I said about over-exaggeration, that\'s why I called it \"Quest To Irritate Project Participants\". Are you going to be so dogmatically stubborn about this that you are unable to see that if you claim some wildly outlandish thing, it lowers your credibility, perhaps to the point where you are not believed? All that needed to be said was \"I can\'t get into my pending credit page to check to see how much pending I have, but based on what I normally complete in a day, I would guess that it is around [insert reasonable guess here, or, manually count via the individual computer pages].\"

Seriously, go re-read \"Chicken Little\" or \"The Boy Who Cried Wolf\"...
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Message 5571 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 12:58:08 UTC
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Seriously, go re-read \"Chicken Little\" or \"The Boy Who Cried Wolf\"...


I don\'t have to really, I have your habitual Troll Posts to Amuse me ... :)
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Message 5572 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 13:07:26 UTC - in response to Message 5571.  

Seriously, go re-read \"Chicken Little\" or \"The Boy Who Cried Wolf\"...


I don\'t have to really, I have your habitual Troll Posts to Amuse me ... :)


So you would prefer to hurl further insults instead of taking me up on my offer to go in and count one-by-one, just like you could do (but apparently don\'t because it is \"too much work\")???

I think that if you step back a bit from the \"How dare you try to keep things factual\" viewpoint that you seem to have because you\'re upset and just want to complain...that you may find that my initial post was one of \"let\'s keep things factual so that when we report problems, our reports are more likely to be believed\"...

Note to mods: This won\'t be a continuing bicker-fest. If he wishes to reply with more snarkiness and sarcasm, he continues alone...
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Message 5573 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 13:25:32 UTC
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So you would prefer to hurl further insults


Your the one who is insulting, you don\'t have a clue to the Amount of Computers I have yet you call me a Liar when I stated what I thought I had for Pending Credits by stating that I\'m making wild exaggerations on the amount.

All I did was state a Obvious Fact by calling you a troll ... :)

PS: By the way I\'ll be leaving the Project anyway Thanks to you, so the Project can Congratulate you for Driving one off 1 of it\'s Founding Members and Biggest Contributors ... Cheers
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Message 5574 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 14:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 5562.  
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\"March 26, 2008 Keep on Crunching!\" ={
\"please don\'t worry that your time here at Cosmology@Home is wasted.\"

Well, I sure hope not! Shame that someone couldn\'t have at least made a single post over the last couple days to say they are alive, or working on it, or not...whatever. Just any communication would sure have been appreciated.

Since I can actually navigate the website atm, albeit at something approaching dialup speeds I checked out my pendings tab. Currently 163 WUs pending. :(

Ya know I really don\'t mind the problems...Everyone has problems from time to time, right? Until recently I have had a very positive experience with this project.

It is the ABSENCE of communication that has made me reevaluate if I really want this to be my pet project. Sorry to vent just wanted to chime in and say heck, just post SOMETHING. I don\'t think anyone expects you to say, \"ok all fixed\". However how long does it take to give us....idunno an update, some encouragement, something.

Still getting the \"exited with zero status\" error intermittently across all platforms.

edit to add: It isn\'t wasted time that is worriesome per say..more so wasted $$electricity ;)



I am going to take a stab at answering this and I am just making educated guesses here with no knowledge.

I don\'t think it is a matter of not getting an answer to all the problems....I think it is more that noone has bothered to look and check and see there are problems.(kinda if you look you might have to do something)

I also get the impression recently that this project has (for the moment) become less important to admin. They had gotten any info they were looking for to populate PICO and won\'t really need us again til we start a new app crunching spacecraft data (sometime in the future.)I would hope we could get an update on the Planck Spacecraft data and where they are on this (even if nowhere is the answer)So we have fallen on the backburner.

I have no real info...just impressions and I may be wrong....
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Message 5576 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 14:18:50 UTC - in response to Message 5573.  
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So you would prefer to hurl further insults


Your the one who is insulting, you don\'t have a clue to the Amount of Computers I have yet you call me a Liar when I stated what I thought I had for Pending Credits by stating that I\'m making wild exaggerations on the amount.

All I did was state a Obvious Fact by calling you a troll ... :)

PS: By the way I\'ll be leaving the Project anyway Thanks to you, so the Project can Congratulate you for Driving one off 1 of it\'s Founding Members and Biggest Contributors ... Cheers


I can back you up here with a few facts.

Yesterday morning was the last time I could get into my pending, it\'s been timing out for the same reason you state. At that time I had (edit:corrected) 1300 give or take 10. I\'ve been churning thru approximely 700 wus/day, and have only been credited abount 40,000 since I was able to last check my pendings.

My computers are not hidden so if someone wants to waste their time with a manual count, be my guest.
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Message 5579 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 14:53:03 UTC
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I can get into my Computer Page if i want to wait 5-10 Min\'s, then into any of the Computers if i want to wait another 5-10 min\'s. Once in the Results page I can start counting pending Wu\'s for that particular Computer if I want to wait 1 min or so for each page to open ... o_0

I actually did start to count the pendings on 1 PC and just quit after I got well over 200 & still had about 1/2 the Results for that PC to go yet, but the pendings do decrease as you get farther into the Results for each PC. This only took about 1 hour to get that far, so If I had maybe 24 hours or so to kill I could go thru all my PC\'s I guess ... :)
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Message 5580 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 14:53:24 UTC - in response to Message 5576.  
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My computers are not hidden so if someone wants to waste their time with a manual count, be my guest.


Due to the slow performance, counts are harder to obtain and may only be accurate for short periods of time due to the ability of the host to report and me not being able to cycle back through quick enough to recheck, but, here\'s a start, and I\'ll edit as time permits:


  • HostID 18936 : 56
  • HostID 18199 : 21 (since this is a C2Q with a higher number of tasks than 18936, either you have reporting problems with this host, so I can\'t see any more than that, or it is working on another project)
  • HostID 2423 : 39
  • HostID 18934 : 112
  • HostID 16821 : 276



OK, I\'ve done half, and I didn\'t pick the \"easy half\" either... I didn\'t keep track on paper between pages, so if I ran into a situation where I was unsure if I had already counted a line or not, I erred on the side of counting it again, so those numbers may be generous by 5-10, or they could be accurate.

Anyway, doing the math: 276 + 112 + 39 + 21 + 56 = 504
Assuming all 100 cr tasks : 50400
Assuming the upper half of the computer list has even double this amount: 50400 x 3 = 151,200.
The likelihood is that the upper half is not double, but it could be... Even if tripled, 50400 x 4 = 201,600.

This makes no distinction between tasks that have met quorum and tasks that have not, so actual pending validation will be lower than this amount.

I think the point was missed that I didn\'t deny that you all \"power users\" have big numbers. None of you are \"liars\", per se, it\'s just I didn\'t feel that exaggerating was a good thing to do, and I still don\'t. As I said, I knew it was engaging in irritating participants. I\'m a straight-shooter. Management tends to consider this as \"not a team player\", hence why I called my comments against the project as \"Q-TIPS\" (Quest To Irritate Project Staff). I see hardly an objection to what I said to Scott, however with what I said to a fellow participant, I\'m now said to be \"trolling\" and whatnot.

What I did is commonly known as \"tough love\" or \"saying things that people don\'t want to hear\". You can get all bent out of shape over it if you like, or you can try to look past the \"HARRRRUMPH\", which was likely your first impulse, and start looking at the underlying message:

Communication is a two-way street. If Scott and the project are DEMANDED to be more involved, then the least we can do is try to make the communication we provide as accurate as possible without the drama, exaggeration, and hyperbole.

Respectfully,

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PS: By the way I\'ll be leaving the Project anyway Thanks to you, so the Project can Congratulate you for Driving one off 1 of it\'s Founding Members and Biggest Contributors ... Cheers


AWESOME - That will give me another chance to move you down a peg... just like I did in ABC last week... :)

No really - this project does need a bit, just a tiny bit of communication from the admins - I stepped out of the pool for a bit when they were having thier problems a few weeks back, when I felt it was safe again, I dipped my big toe in the water to find it was cold as ice. Not 12 hours after I started crunching on impulse power the project decides to fart.
But with all the work I have cached up, I would feel badly about about aborting/detaching. So on the machines I could get to I have suspended the project and doing some POEM. If the project is not fixed in the next 24 hours or so- and if I have time, I will do the same on the other boxes I have running Cosmo.
Hopefully they get it fixed before April 4th, since that seems to be the deadline for majority of the cache.

As far as I can tell, I am still getting the \"cant open database\" error when trying to report. Most WU\'s are uploading ok, but just can not report.

I also can not get to my pendings, no idea how many are there - but like I mentioned- the majority of the crunched work has still not been able to report. My computers are not hidden, but I can not get into them to figure it out. Not that it would matter anyway - I mean, who has the biggest... errr.. pendings is not that big of a deal - rather than- when is the database/network error or what ever it is going to be corrected so we can get back to business as usual, and complain about how many or few credits we are getting per WU! :)
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Message 5583 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 15:24:21 UTC

AWESOME - That will give me another chance to move you down a peg...


Yup, I figured I\'d get a response like that from somebody like you Kevint, I don\'t worry about it though, you have the Power to move past me at any Project by hook or crook so it\'s no big deal.
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