1) Forums : Technical Support : Feedback on Cosmology Re-Start (Message 7463)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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As I suggested earlier

You suggested it earlier, yes. Please keep it at that and let people decide for themselves whether or not they want to crunch the work available.

Ordinarily I mind my own business but I cannot let your statement stand without comment. Surely people will decide for themselves whether or not they want to crunch available work. However, it is not required that such a decision be made without input from others. You are trying to prevent Bill and Patsy from swaying the decision of others because you perceive it as detrimental to the project. Frankly, the project has done much on it\'s own to ruin its good will; I don\'t think Bill and Patsy can do any further harm and the tone of your response to them is condescending.
2) Forums : Technical Support : Feedback on Cosmology Re-Start (Message 7461)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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....people should avoid this project until they get the message and keep their promises. They are holding back nearly 1/5 of the credits that I\'ve earned since they promised that they wouldn\'t screw us again, as they did before. If you participate right now you put yourself at risk, and you put everyone else at risk by letting them get away with breaking their promises.


My view, philosophically, is that no project has to promise anything since you are donating your resources without precondition. But when promises are made they should be kept else respect for the project suffers. The real issue here is what you say...

And as far as the \"science\" is concerned, you can crunch for other projects that are actually doing science. ... Cosmology@Home is a cool concept. I want to support Cosmology@Home -- after they prove they deserve it.


After months of bad management and failures, indeed,
\"why would you do any more work until they do what they said they\'d do, and until they prove that we can trust them?\"


I would rephrase it as \"why would you contribute to a project whose track record is abysmal and leads one to believe that project management is not serious about producing anything? Academia must be heaven for if you had this track record in industry your head would be on the chopping block and the rest of you in the unemployment office.

end of editorial comment
3) Forums : Technical Support : Test work? (Message 7301)
Posted 19 Sep 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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I don\'t know if the staff is actively resolving the project\'s woes or not but given the duration and extent of these woes one must consider that the project itself is not particularly important to those who conceived it. I check the status periodically and am disappointed each and every time. I tire of donating my computer to biology when I\'d rather donate it to physics/astronomy/cosmology and those pesky near earth asteroids.
4) Forums : Technical Support : Test work? (Message 7271)
Posted 13 Sep 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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Yeah, I have test work with today\'s date, so I *guess* they\'re doing a second round of testing. It\'s either that or they threw some more work in just so folks would stop complaining about not having any. Of course if they\'d just post something we\'d know which is which. :P

Don\'t you know? You are not supposed to expect anything, you are a volunteer not a paying subscriber. :)
Like Clive I\'m waiting for things to improve before I get re-involved. Though I would do test units if it would speed up the process.
5) Forums : Technical Support : Please, check the server status. (Message 7178)
Posted 5 Sep 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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I\'v run this project since the beginning and have only had minor problems once in a while, till the recent problems started... Granted, I don\'t visit the project page very often, but my computers rarely ran out of work in the \'good old days\'.
Please don\'t be so pessimistic because of the current troubles ;-)


You ascribe a quality to me that isn\'t there and that I do not value. I do not judge based on the emotions of optimism or pessimism, but I can clearly judge based on track record, though you\'re assessment of the track record and mine are not synonymous. On principle I like this project\'s objectives, I simply do not like the level of attention given it.
6) Forums : Technical Support : Please, check the server status. (Message 7175)
Posted 4 Sep 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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I\'ll certainly be back after the maintenance, confident that it will be running as in the good old days!

If past performance was \"the good old days\" then we all should be absolutely ecstatic if this project actually gets itself running smoothly and permanently. But if you believe that history serves to predict the future, well...
7) Forums : Technical Support : No WUs (Message 7160)
Posted 28 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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It does appear that the project is not devoting sufficient resources to make this a top-notch, viable project, although it is still in Beta... <edit> Hopefully after all the \"lessons learned\" during this Beta process, the project will be committed to fixing what went wrong.


That\'s my concern, I wonder about the efficacy of a project if its state is always beta. It connotes lack of progress and commitment. Are \"lessons being learned\"?

I ask myself if this project is still in beta because 1) it just doesn\'t know how to get itself functioning properly (lacks commitment, money or expertise); or 2) the state of beta is a convenient cover up for any shortcoming that arises.

I don\'t mind giving any project the benefit while ramping up but one expects to see somewhat continuous improvement not total collapse. I\'m just not comfortable with a scenario that requires \"beta mode\" as a crutch, nor one where the project principals are in never-never land.
8) Forums : Technical Support : Please, check the server status. (Message 7154)
Posted 28 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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We haven\'t got any granteg credit for two days and I can\'t see my pending credit bcouse of dadabase error.

Is anybody of admins interesting about this problem?
I realy don\'t understud what happend with this project. Maybe its time to leave c@h?

Nor does anyone else.
9) Forums : Technical Support : No WUs (Message 7153)
Posted 28 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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Okay, I\'m \"down with negativism\" for now, but I will say that the person that steps in and fixes this project will simply be referred to as \"The Miracle Worker\" from now on. :-P

Mircale Worker? Yeah, well, so far this project has resembled the world stock markets...what goes up eventually comes crashing down. But unlike the stock market I can\'t make any money (credits) when the project is down.

Kidding aside, even if the project comes up and runs smoothly I now will/still have nagging questions about whether the project is serious about generating useable scientific data. The lack of oversight, communication and expeditious resolution of the problems has me wary about contributing any further. So if the project wants to fight \"negativism\" then produce something positive to change our minds and make it sustainable.

And please, get rid of that new black web design and reinstate something sane and less painful on my eyes (IMO, of course).
10) Forums : Technical Support : Various tasks or WU\'s that appear to have problems (Message 7089)
Posted 19 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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Its just major back end, behind the scenes problems which will be solved in time. Please just have patience and bear with us.

Au contraire, a large number of people have persevered, been very patient for a very long time and are now thoroughly exasperated. We aren\'t giving up on Cosmo but some REAL progress would be a welcome and tranquilizing (if not novel) feeling.
11) Forums : Technical Support : Various tasks or WU\'s that appear to have problems (Message 7086)
Posted 19 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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However, I suspect that most would agree tha most urgent thing to investigate is why so little work is forthcoming.


Agreed... My AMD has about 20 hours of work left between here and Einstein. Since I\'m hoping that S5R3 resends are still happening over at Einstein, I\'m not switching to S5R4 processing there, so if no new work appears in either project by then, my system will be taking a break...

Project scientist(s) must be content to get so little ouput. Being cynical for a moment...perhaps they never look at the output anyway so it isn\'t missed; perhaps this whole enterprise is just a ruse/vehicle to get funding and we are unknowing participants. I can\'t explain what seems like a total lack of interest in achievement or goals.
12) Forums : General Topics : Cosmology@Home credit discussion (Message 7068)
Posted 18 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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As a new participants in this project i dont think its fear that credits given are much less then the work units would have regarded me.
Unless it was to high before the credits now given isnt attractive to new participants perhaps i\'ll get back some day but for now i will finnish the rest of my WU\'s and turn to another project



If the credit was increased at the same rate as the length of the work units my numbers show it should be 190. That would equal the 50 I was getting for about 45 minutes of work. Sure seems like the project is losing many former hosts!

Credit has always been acceptable to generous here at Cosmo in spite of what some people believe. Participants and their hosts are \"leaving\" because they (like me) think the project is out of control and mired with problems that cause \"no work sent\" and \"there was work but for other platforms\" messages. Some are content to let their BOINC message logs fill up with these messages but I choose to suspend until the problems are fixed. Anyone seen OhioMike lately, a long time contributor now aloof?
13) Forums : Technical Support : cant get any new work??? (Message 7046)
Posted 17 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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I don\'t presume to know anything about BOINC and it\'s data base queries but those queries centered around HR functionality must not be working...just thrashing about. Paraphrasing Thunder \"the Cosmo implementation is screwed up\". Maybe starting over -- figuratively if not literally -- might be necessary. Something needs to be done and I hope the new hiree is up to the challenge and has the knowledge to lift us out of Oblivion. I prefer getting someone from BOINC development to do the heavy lifting and then present a working project to the new hiree, with a handbook.
14) Forums : Technical Support : Some information on cosmology@home (Message 7043)
Posted 16 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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Yes, he [Bruce] is still over there [Germany], but you and I are talking over this \"internet\" thing... ;-)
True, but it doesn\'t seem practical to solve Cosmo\'s problems via the internet. A more hands-on or on-location avenue would seem necessary, but then maybe I\'m simply deficient in the use these tools where others are not.
15) Forums : Technical Support : Some information on cosmology@home (Message 7040)
Posted 16 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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Rosetta@Home experienced increasingly severe operational difficulties from it\'s inception around Oct 2005; by Christmas it was bad enough that they called in Rom Walton to help them solve their issues and get the project rolling. I\'d say that Cosmo is in a similar pickle. Any chance of someone knowledgable like Rom to help Cosmo get it\'s HR and work fetching problems solved and back on track? (...just a thought)


I had previously suggested that they contact Bruce Allen. I think I remember that Scott went up to visit the University of Wisconsin campus sometime over the past year... Einstein doesn\'t use HR, but I\'m sure Bruce could help or at least point him in the direction of someone who can (like Rom)...

Errr forgive me... I thought Bruce moved to Germany to work at AEI, or was that temporary?
16) Forums : Technical Support : Some information on cosmology@home (Message 7032)
Posted 15 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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Rosetta@Home experienced increasingly severe operational difficulties from it\'s inception around Oct 2005; by Christmas it was bad enough that they called in Rom Walton to help them solve their issues and get the project rolling. I\'d say that Cosmo is in a similar pickle. Any chance of someone knowledgable like Rom to help Cosmo get it\'s HR and work fetching problems solved and back on track? (...just a thought)
17) Forums : Technical Support : Some information on cosmology@home (Message 6953)
Posted 8 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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You say:
<edited> i still hope Scott or somebody could grant some symbolic credit to those wus trapped between code upgrades.


I\'m no fan of the way this project is being (mis-)handled, however, Ben said you were already overpaid for the tasks you completed successfully.
To compensate we have been handing out very generous amounts of credit for our WUs in the past.

18) Forums : Technical Support : URGENT Problems Thread (Message 6924)
Posted 6 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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I would appreciate, if somebody do something about \"unsent\" status. 80% of my WU\'s are like that.

<snip> ...and hords of people have jumped ship and are no longer crunching Cosmo wu\'s. it seems all of us who are deeply committed to this project will just have to be patient.

Commitment starts at the top. If it is lacking there then are you surprised it is lacking down below? Some of us just get tired of baby sitting this project. I like physics and cosmology and truly would like to see this project resurrect itself.
19) Forums : Technical Support : CAMB 2.15 (Message 6916)
Posted 5 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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...I know Scott has his hands full but we need to know what is going on.
I shall rephrase what you said \"The project needs to put somebody in charge who KNOWS what is going on and can get results, otherwise the project will continue to be encumbered and plagued with ongoing problems.\" Personally I don\'t see how any science is getting done; I feel like I\'m doing nothing more than helping some boy scout earn a computer science badge rather than solve the mysteries of cosmology. I hope I\'m wrong.


Cosmology administrator job posting

That was posted sometime yesterday...

Given all the problems, if someone wants to take it on, I\'d hope they\'d be smart enough to ask for the higher pay... Oh, and I don\'t see how 10-15 hours a week will cut it either...

However, this does point to some reasons why nothing is happening around here with the problems...
Agree...from the job description it appears that the project is asking a lot from an undergraduate; it further supports my fear that problems will be ongoing. Must be on a tight budget.
20) Forums : Technical Support : CAMB 2.15 (Message 6913)
Posted 5 Aug 2008 by Nothing But Idle Time
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...I know Scott has his hands full but we need to know what is going on.
I shall rephrase what you said \"The project needs to put somebody in charge who KNOWS what is going on and can get results, otherwise the project will continue to be encumbered and plagued with ongoing problems.\" Personally I don\'t see how any science is getting done; I feel like I\'m doing nothing more than helping some boy scout earn a computer science badge rather than solve the mysteries of cosmology. I hope I\'m wrong.


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