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Message 10175 - Posted: 18 Feb 2012, 2:26:05 UTC
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OK - someone has to do some straight talking so step up ... moi!

Help me get this right ... and please feel free to shoot me down in flames if I've got anything wrong:-

1) You have a distributed CPU/GPU project open to a worldwide audience expecting 24/7/366 (it's a Leap Year!) performance.

2) You have no IT support. You cannot find anyone at any time over the past 10 elapsed days who is willing for free or at any (reasonable) cost to fix this issue (or subsequent issues on a pro-rata basis ... free is still free at this point).

3) This situation continues to infinity (obvious, I know) as you have said.

4) You have public funds to run this project via the National Science Foundation under Grant No. AST0507676.

5) I have checked and cannot find any link for private funding to pay someone to "kick the hardawe " as someone esle put it.

I have US$10 to help pay someone to "Turn it off then turn it on again."
So, where do I send it?

Please - the past is history.

Progress. Move on!

Ray

My thoughts about the following remarks are private so please don't ask ...

I know that Professor Wandelt is away currently, and he has promised me to work on this as soon as he is back.

then
Professor Wandelt is no longer at UIUC

and has not been for a long time according to other posts.

... all within the space of 10 physical days.

Hint:- arranging a new job for a professor and the period of working notice before leaving the old job takes ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Message 10176 - Posted: 18 Feb 2012, 3:04:27 UTC - in response to Message 10175.  

Ray,

You have said what many of us have been silently thinking, well done.

I was patiently waiting as many, many others were as well until I saw a couple posts that made me reevaluate which projects I would continue to support.

Faik, I understand you are doing your very best to communicate as much as you have been allowed, so please do not take my comments as directed towards you, but towards some of the decisions made by the management of this project.

In my opinion "Away on travel" and a trans-Atlantic relocation to accept a new position are very different things. I found this "information" less than forthcoming, if not intentionally deceptive. It also would have been received much better up front as an announcement directly from Professor Wandelt than as the reason for continued failure by the project to properly maintain its systems.

I wish the project well in the future with or without my participation and hope that my comment is not seen as hostile, but rather a wake up call to be more up front and forthcoming in the future. A well informed volunteer is much more patient and forgiving.
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Message 10189 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 1:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 10176.  

While I agree that we should be patient, I'm also getting a bit frustrated for the reasons outlined. Especially frustrating is the lack of any kind of time line for when the project will be up and running again-which makes me fear it won't be. It feels like nobody is working to resolve the issue which makes it a dead project, which would be disappointing.

I for one am going to suspend cosmology@home until the problem is resolved.

I consider the work cosmology@home is doing to be extremely important, but now I'm worried the work is/will be wasted. With only one person on the project posting here, sometimes I wonder who is even analyzing the results?
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Message 10190 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 1:04:13 UTC

I hadn't checked the boards for a while but this is the first I hear that the professor isn't away on travel but has a new job.

I totally agree with KMAC here. And Faik I don't know if you were misinformed or not, but I hope you were, otherwise you've been lying to us all this time, and I hate lyers. So I'm hoping you were misinformed too.

Anthony.
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Message 10192 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 1:44:10 UTC - in response to Message 10190.  
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Hello C@Homers,

You have commented on the apparent inconsistency of two statements I have made in two different contexts:

1) Professor Wandelt is away currently, and he has promised me to work on this as soon as he is back.

2) Professor Wandelt is no longer at UIUC.

I made the first statement in the context of explaining to people why at that point nothing was being done. Professor Wandelt for whom I work on this project told me that he was away and that he would do something about it when he is back. He was away from Paris at that time. As the person in charge of communication with our community members, I felt it was my duty to keep you informed. It is part of my job!

As for the second statement, I wanted to give some context to why it has been hard to find a competent system administrator. C@H is a project that is based in UIUC and the funds for hiring a student will go through the business office through the Physics Department. That Professor Wandelt himself is no longer at UIUC is common knowledge, and he wrote about it himself here.


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Message 10193 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 1:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 10190.  

Hello Anthony,

I was neither misinformed nor was I trying to mislead you. I feel that people were reacting to statements I have made about different things in different contexts. I hope my post below clarifies things.

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I hadn't checked the boards for a while but this is the first I hear that the professor isn't away on travel but has a new job.

I totally agree with KMAC here. And Faik I don't know if you were misinformed or not, but I hope you were, otherwise you've been lying to us all this time, and I hate lyers. So I'm hoping you were misinformed too.

Anthony.

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Message 10211 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 3:24:48 UTC - in response to Message 10193.  

With the project down so long, it makes me wonder if the work is actually valued or if it is a waste.

Is there anyone that was looking at the results? What if anything was being done with the data that was being returned?
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Message 10212 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 3:32:04 UTC

I have 30 results waiting to upload. What should I do with them? They're just taking up space now.
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Message 10214 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 4:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 10212.  

Uh?
I've read about Bens Parisjob when i was searching for an E-Mailadress... that was really nothing new, but i understand that people tend to react very sensible actually.

Two weeks are gone and finally (!) it seems as the fix is on its way.
Anyway, the real big mistake while this issue happened (happens) was, not to tell the boys how long they will have to wait.
ASAP is really nice, but as i've already written to Faik, that is no information with which we can plan.
Most of us are no sparetime Boincers. We have clusters to maintain or some of us are members in teams which have Creditgoals and so on.

Next time, Ben should give us a timewindow, so we can redirect ressources and minimize the "damage" for the individual cruncher.
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Message 10236 - Posted: 21 Feb 2012, 1:32:50 UTC - in response to Message 10193.  

Hello Anthony,

I was neither misinformed nor was I trying to mislead you. I feel that people were reacting to statements I have made about different things in different contexts. I hope my post below clarifies things.

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Thanks for clarifying things Faik.

And there's progress on the server situation. My work is uploaded, some units were reported, hopefully I can soon report my other work. I hope all will be fixed this week so that I can start accepting work again. I'll first have to work through my SETI CPU cache anyway.

Anthony.
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Message 10237 - Posted: 21 Feb 2012, 3:32:54 UTC - in response to Message 10236.  
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You are welcome, Anthony!

As I posted here last night, Professor Wandelt had informed that that he was working on a quick fix, as well as on a long term remedy. I am very glad that you are already seeing the difference. We acknowledge that these problems are frustrating, and we are working to improve the situation.


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Hello Anthony,

I was neither misinformed nor was I trying to mislead you. I feel that people were reacting to statements I have made about different things in different contexts. I hope my post below clarifies things.

All the best,

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Thanks for clarifying things Faik.

And there's progress on the server situation. My work is uploaded, some units were reported, hopefully I can soon report my other work. I hope all will be fixed this week so that I can start accepting work again. I'll first have to work through my SETI CPU cache anyway.

Anthony.
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Message 10239 - Posted: 21 Feb 2012, 12:29:52 UTC

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Message 10240 - Posted: 21 Feb 2012, 15:24:06 UTC
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Maybe the main reason to use voluntary free computing was just to get funding? I know for sure that one of the main reason other project have got their funding is that they was using voluntary free computers. Sometimes I suspect that there is little scientific relevance at all, the man reason is just to get money that are used on other things.
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Message 10241 - Posted: 21 Feb 2012, 17:17:13 UTC - in response to Message 10240.  
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Hello Thomas,

Please let me assure you that is not the case. It has been made very clear in many places in these forums that the work you are doing is very valuable. Besides, funding for a scientific project is not a once in a life time experience. If a researcher does not demonstrate that he or she has achieved the goals he or she had announced in the application, it is very unlikely that the funding agency is going to take them seriously in the future. Ethical and professional responsibility is an integral part of the scientific process, and it simply does not make any ethical or logistical sense for the administration of C@H to lead people on that way.

The funding process for scientific projects is not a simple matter of applying and getting money, and then spending it as you wish. The money is usually granted to achieve particular tasks within a particular time frame. Here is a link to the relevant information on the website of the NSF. In fact, this project is currently funded by NASA, but this information will give you an idea how the funding process works.

Now, the other theme in your post was the lack of information about the CURRENT status of the project. I cannot agree with you more, and I do believe that C@H members deserve to know what is the current status of the project and where things are standing exactly. It is our duty to provide you with this information. Please give me a few days while I try to put an updated together.

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Maybe the main reason to use voluntary free computing was just to get funding? I know for sure that one of the main reason other project have got their funding is that they was using voluntary free computers. Sometimes I suspect that there is little scientific relevance at all, the man reason is just to get money that are used on other things.
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Message 10261 - Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 13:47:26 UTC - in response to Message 10241.  

Hi Faik

Thank you, it is very much appreciated
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Message 10262 - Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 14:31:52 UTC - in response to Message 10261.  

And besides that was Faik has said:
Well, the project needs definetly computing power. So, as we have seen with the server issue, it is obvious that these needed computing power is not delivered by a hypermodern supercomputer :D

We can say, the last two weeks have proved, that C@H definetly needs our machines.

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Message 10263 - Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 15:48:45 UTC - in response to Message 10262.  
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Yesterday evening my local machine managed to upload three tasks which managed to avoid timing out, I will have to check the other two operational machines for their tasks pronto to see if they have work that can be recovered.

(new tasks were downloaded and one is due to finish shortly - with all others suspended for now) so it seems things are working, I had stopped checking prior to my screensaver notifying me of the new work.

EDIT

On my workstation 3 of 9 tasks appear salvaged.
On the others less than 20 percent look like they were uploaded in time and salvaged

Two machines are working with new tasks (including to my desktop/workstation), although the task list is very short. One is suspended due to it being transferred to its own virtual machine soon.

The other servers - several of them are Linux making deployment slightly more complex and time consuming given the machines current install state.

I thought I would post in case nobody like me had checked the current operational status in a while.

Hopefully the things posted by Faik will be reassuring.
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Message 10273 - Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 3:55:52 UTC - in response to Message 10261.  

You are very welcome, Jodi!

I am very pleased that we have overcome the recent problems.

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Hi Faik

Thank you, it is very much appreciated

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Message 10278 - Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 6:06:30 UTC - in response to Message 10262.  

Considering the nature of C@H, this project has and WILL always need your computing power. So the work you are doing is definitely the backbone of this research effort, and it will NOT be possible without. There is simply no question about that part!

Thank you for all the work you have been doing for C@H!

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And besides that was Faik has said:
Well, the project needs definetly computing power. So, as we have seen with the server issue, it is obvious that these needed computing power is not delivered by a hypermodern supercomputer :D

We can say, the last two weeks have proved, that C@H definetly needs our machines.


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