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Message 8887 - Posted: 23 Feb 2010, 10:24:05 UTC
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This project deletes random accounts of valid crunchers, doesn't do anything for this crunchers to retrieve those accounts, and obviously doesn't even bother to answer those crunchers who were unjustified fdeleted.

The official story about this deletion, a "hacked account", is not believable, as a hacked account would give the hackers access to all accounts in every project the crunchers participate in. As no such thing happened, the account was not hacked, if anything was hacked, it was the database of this project.

The random deletion spree, the non-reaction of the admins, the disregard for volunteer crunchers, slowly develop a kind of Predictor-feeling, anybody remember the "admin" DLB of Predictor?

If this indefensible things will go on further, I think we, i.e. our team at least, will have to consider this project not valuable any more.


For further information look as well in this two threads:
http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=758
http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=667
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Message 8892 - Posted: 24 Feb 2010, 16:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 8887.

The random deletion spree, the non-reaction of the admins, the disregard for volunteer crunchers, slowly develop a kind of Predictor-feeling, anybody remember the "admin" DLB of Predictor?

Saenger, I think it is an impertinence to compare the situation here with that at Predictor earlier! Account deletion back and forth, it's not the same as there.
Ben Wandelt has declared here what actually is the problem, and I guess you readed it also, I see a post from you to this.
As long as there is/are no real admins, the project is unfortunately as good as dead, leaving many problems behind no one can answer.
I still hope Ben can hire a good one again in the near future so that the project comes alive and more productive.

If this indefensible things will go on further, I think we, i.e. our team at least, will have to consider this project not valuable any more.

Do whatever you like. But don't spread the word that it is like Predictor!
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Message 8904 - Posted: 3 Mar 2010, 20:31:37 UTC - in response to Message 8892.

But not answering to emails is not a good thing to do. My account is missing too, i bet that it can be retrieved from the backup. I feel like nobody cares here....

So why should we care? Why should we be the ones who should understand? Nobdy listens, Nobody answers. And i think that there is really a lot of guys who would undertake the admin tasks even for free. Is anybody even searching for it?

If there is no admin and the project is dead why there are still tasks available?? For other stupid people to crunch them? And they would get their account deleted as well? The participants are not treated seariosly in this project....

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Message 8916 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010, 1:26:24 UTC

As I indicated before, one might attempt to contact Ben via phone. I do not know if the number that is real easy to find for the UIUC campus is still active or not, or if it might have a voice mail on it referencing the new number in France, nor do I know if perchance the place he went to in France has a listing for his number there yet or not...

In any case, all one had to have done was to have visited the boards once in a great while for approximately the past year to know that the project was on auto-pilot. Comparisons to Predictor are outlandish, particularly given the history of that incident, which bears no true similarity to this situation, beyond the notion that certain participants feel ignored / slighted. While I suppose I would be upset if I were in their shoes, I don't think there is any intended harm for the individuals who are having an issue right now, nor do I feel that they have exhausted all avenues to try to get in touch with Ben...
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Message 8917 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010, 3:39:17 UTC - in response to Message 8916.

Well lovely. I come back after over a year away and see that it is on auto-pilot. The scarier part is what I heard about deleted accounts. But I don't think it is the same as Predictor. DLB was an ass who banned people right and left. This isn't the case from what I see. Its just that there is no one on-hand to deal with the issues. However I did notice the work taking a lot of memory which slowed my puter down. I may crunch more or I might not but I will keep an eye out for now.

BTW does anyone have any idea how many accounts had been affected? and When the last know one happened?
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Message 8918 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010, 7:20:36 UTC - in response to Message 8917.
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But I don't think it is the same as Predictor. DLB banned people right and left.


People are confused, to say the least, in regards to the notion of "free speech" in regards to publicly accessible forums. The forums are able to be read by anyone in the world that can access this site, but this in and of itself does not make them "public domain" / "run by the government". Freedom of Speech, at least in the United States, only pertains to protections against governmental supression of speech / ideas. Yes, there are a few fringe cases dealing with, I believe, shopping malls, but generally speaking private companies are allowed to restrict conduct that they do not want on their premesis...

The message boards at Predictor were the property of Scripps Research Institute, a privately-owned entity. While DLB made several poor choices, so did many of his detractors. As it was a privately-owned server, it was within his right to ban people for continued evasion of prior bans and continued trashing of the project, and the Research Institute by proxy.

For those participants, who repeatedly engaged in the behavior of creating new accounts to circumvent the project's and the Research Institute's ability to exercise their completely legal efforts to not have their property defaced, to start coming here and start claiming similar things...takes a bit of nerve.

The comparison ends at the point of that this project (Cosmology) has paid little attention to its' volunteers. That has impacted all of us for the past year. The loss of account info is something very specific. I urge the people having the issue of lost accounts to seek to contact Ben either through the University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign, or through Pierre & Marie Curie University in Paris, France, preferably by phone, and to cease the comparisons to a totally different situation.

Thanks...
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Message 9026 - Posted: 2 Sep 2010, 13:39:22 UTC - in response to Message 8918.

I tried to contact Ben but with no luck. My account is still missing, and so is 25000 credits.

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Message 9031 - Posted: 5 Sep 2010, 15:14:25 UTC - in response to Message 9026.

annyone reads this forum? Are You guys even trying to solve the missing account issue?

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Message 9053 - Posted: 25 Sep 2010, 13:04:09 UTC

I started using BOINC and joined Cosmology only recently. My computer is not running any Cosmology projects, sadly. But in the Statistics tab on this page I see that things are running. Maybe those are projects limited to U of I's own servers and not parceled out to us? Is anyone else here doing any Cosmology@Home projects on their own computers?

Is the project suspended while Ben seeks an undergrad to take over the server duties? Does it really make sense to have an undergrad do this...even, yes, a U of I undergrad? They are still mere mortals, you know.

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Message 9054 - Posted: 26 Sep 2010, 17:51:48 UTC

I'm still getting a constant flow of WUs on my machine. I can only assume the project is still active. Some daily, or even weekly, communication from those running this project would be greatly helpful to the community. Without a doubt this community is the most dead out of all the projects I run.

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Message 9062 - Posted: 1 Oct 2010, 15:07:35 UTC - in response to Message 9053.

Is the project suspended while Ben seeks an undergrad to take over the server duties? Does it really make sense to have an undergrad do this...even, yes, a U of I undergrad? They are still mere mortals, you know.


No, the project runs as it always has done, with a heap of problems on the web pages and a slew of server problems.

Ben gets resultrs out of the thing which he will use sometime in the unspecified future.

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Message 9074 - Posted: 8 Oct 2010, 6:57:26 UTC - in response to Message 9062.

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Message 9251 - Posted: 23 Dec 2010, 21:05:21 UTC - in response to Message 9074.

So is anybody interested in giving me back my account with my 27230 points?

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Message 9312 - Posted: 1 Feb 2011, 22:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 9062.

Ben gets resultrs out of the thing which he will use sometime in the unspecified future.

I very much doubt that anyone gets anything from this project besides the electricity companies of the users who still crunch here.

This project is just a zombie without any use.
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Message 9327 - Posted: 9 Feb 2011, 19:28:29 UTC - in response to Message 9312.

Ben gets resultrs out of the thing which he will use sometime in the unspecified future.

I very much doubt that anyone gets anything from this project besides the electricity companies of the users who still crunch here.

This project is just a zombie without any use.


Loads of zombies make good target practice :)

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Message 13602 - Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 11:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 9327.

I've tried to contribute as a trial to this project.
I does take ages to do one wu compared to others and then gets a 'missed' tag even though days before deadline. Not a good start and I will have to lay off using it, [contributing] I think.
Been struggling to get more than a minimum credit to indicate success.
I'm not bothered about points but am about wasting my time and electricity bill!

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Message 13610 - Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 17:02:57 UTC

The way this project is run, it makes you wonder if GPUs are being used to generate bitcoins for them.

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