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Message 6618 - Posted: 18 Jul 2008, 14:22:13 UTC

Which HR class is getting the work? Not my windows P4.
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Message 6630 - Posted: 19 Jul 2008, 0:32:32 UTC - in response to Message 6618.  

Which HR class is getting the work? Not my windows P4.


It may be Scott is trying to send out only the Wu\'s that have been sent 3-5 Times already in an attempt to clean them up. I say that because it seems all the Wu\'s in my Caches (Not Many Really) have been sent that many times already ... :)
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Message 6631 - Posted: 19 Jul 2008, 0:50:24 UTC

Haven\'t got anything today either... This is starting to rub me the wrong way...
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Message 6632 - Posted: 19 Jul 2008, 1:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 6631.  
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Haven\'t got anything today either... This is starting to rub me the wrong way...


Something is flaky.....got home and all hosts full...7 hosts....6 linux & 1 win different types
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Message 6659 - Posted: 20 Jul 2008, 22:29:45 UTC - in response to Message 944.  
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Post here if there is an urgent problem that needs to be brought to my attention. Generally, if it\'s affecting many users\' ability to crunch, then it\'s post-worthy.

DO NOT POST HERE IF YOU HAVE NOT CHECKED THE ANNOUNCEMENTS THREAD.

DO NOT POST HERE IF THE PROBLEM IS LIMITED TO ONLY YOU.

DO NOT POST DISCUSSION OF URGENT PROBLEMS IN HERE. POST THEM IN THE URGENT PROBLEMS DISCUSSION THREAD INSTEAD.

Appropriate things to post:
-Greater than 90% of my results are invalid.
-I can\'t communicate with the server even though there haven\'t been any posts about downtime.
-There is a post on the forum that severely violates the rules.
-I was walking around the UIUC campus and I happened to notice that your office is on fire.

Inappropriate things to post:
-One of my results was invalidated.
-The server is down, but I haven\'t checked the announcements thread to see if that\'s the way it\'s supposed to be.
-Somebody was mean to me on the forums.
-I just set your office on fire. Take THAT, Cosmo-TYRANT!



Lets discuss the term urgency for a moment......if a post fits the criteria does it not deserve a response based on the initial parameters in a timely manner?More than a week,never or on the frontpage is not timely.

At the current level of project response I propose we unsticky and lock this thread and the associated discussion thread as it has repeatedly violated the rules as stated above and in general rules.

The discussion thread does not work at all. It is not natural for people to post to a thread , get a response,and then go \"Oh...I am discussing this problem now...need to go to the discussion thread\". This means a mod has to move tons of posts at once (especially fun with server problems)which makes this thread a lot of extra work when there is no urgency applied on the initial problem.So we mods waste hours doing this while the intent of not having to sift through numerous posts by admin has no admin responding to the original problem. Thats all these threads do is severely inflame people at the corresponding lack of response and just makes the Cosmods job more difficult,so I am requesting this as being urgent.

Even though I have the power to do so I am requesting admin or foundership blessing 1st.

In conclusion these 2 threads remind me of the Pink Floyd song \"Comfortably Numb\"..... is there anyone out there....is there anyone listening....just nod if you can hear me......is there anyone at all?

Thank-you for your consideration...

Respectful Regards-Cosmod Jeff

Note: I may edit this post at will.
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Message 6661 - Posted: 21 Jul 2008, 7:11:26 UTC - in response to Message 6659.  

Post here if there is an urgent problem that needs to be brought to my attention. Generally, if it\'s affecting many users\' ability to crunch, then it\'s post-worthy.

DO NOT POST HERE IF YOU HAVE NOT CHECKED THE ANNOUNCEMENTS THREAD.

DO NOT POST HERE IF THE PROBLEM IS LIMITED TO ONLY YOU.

DO NOT POST DISCUSSION OF URGENT PROBLEMS IN HERE. POST THEM IN THE URGENT PROBLEMS DISCUSSION THREAD INSTEAD.

Appropriate things to post:
-Greater than 90% of my results are invalid.
-I can\'t communicate with the server even though there haven\'t been any posts about downtime.
-There is a post on the forum that severely violates the rules.
-I was walking around the UIUC campus and I happened to notice that your office is on fire.

Inappropriate things to post:
-One of my results was invalidated.
-The server is down, but I haven\'t checked the announcements thread to see if that\'s the way it\'s supposed to be.
-Somebody was mean to me on the forums.
-I just set your office on fire. Take THAT, Cosmo-TYRANT!



Lets discuss the term urgency for a moment......if a post fits the criteria does it not deserve a response based on the initial parameters in a timely manner?More than a week,never or on the frontpage is not timely.

At the current level of project response I propose we unsticky and lock this thread and the associated discussion thread as it has repeatedly violated the rules as stated above and in general rules.


What you\'re proposing seems to me to equate with \"the beatings will continue until morale improves.\" It does not seem to me that closing / locking either thread will lead to anything productive. If Scott and/or Ben are irritated at the level of discord amongst the participants, then they should do something to address the issues. \"Addressing the issues\" could be anything from posting status messages, either here or on the home page, to just flat out closing down the fora and/or the project as a whole.

If this is really about one\'s own dissatisfaction, be it the task of moving posts or about the lack of response from the project, then I would humbly suggest reevaluating whether or not the project is worth the time to you. If you find that it is not, then it might be beneficial to you to then evaluate whether it is not worth the time as a mod, as a participant, or both.



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Message 6662 - Posted: 21 Jul 2008, 7:23:14 UTC - in response to Message 6661.  
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If this is really about one\'s own dissatisfaction, be it the task of moving posts or about the lack of response from the project, then I would humbly suggest reevaluating whether or not the project is worth the time to you. If you find that it is not, then it might be beneficial to you to then evaluate whether it is not worth the time as a mod, as a participant, or both.




I have no personal dissatisfaction from the project Brian...many other participants apparently do...as far as moving posts I am requesting a lightening of the load for all the mods due to no real need for this type of thread....please name me another project with an urgent thread approach?

I value my time as well as the other mods ...apparently you do not.You also don\'t have to answer various avenues of communications by participants about whats going on and why no answer constantly so you don\'t get it about time consumption largely due to this threads existence..
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Message 6663 - Posted: 21 Jul 2008, 7:53:10 UTC - in response to Message 6662.  

I value my time as well as the other mods ...apparently you do not.You also don\'t have to answer various avenues of communications by participants about whats going on and why no answer constantly so you don\'t get it about time consumption largely due to this threads existence..

Now, now, now. You\'re still volunteering here, just as everyone else. You also don\'t have to answer everyone, especially not if you don\'t have the answers either. When moving posts to this or the other thread becomes too much of a chore, you should reconsider the position.

Be moderate in your approach towards the people here and try to stay courteous in all your communications. There\'s no need to flame the constituency. For when you start doing that, who will be needed to clean up your mess? Other more moderate moderators?

I\'d say, leave the Urgent Problems Discussion thread be. Refresh it every 200 posts (as in lock, desticky and make anew). Lock and desticky the other one. Two of them, similar ones, makes things crowded around here. And confusing which one to post in.
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Message 6664 - Posted: 21 Jul 2008, 8:01:52 UTC - in response to Message 6662.  


I value my time as well as the other mods ...apparently you do not.


Well, you might want to consult with your other mods before making sweeping changes.

You also don\'t have to answer various avenues of communications by participants about whats going on and why no answer constantly so you don\'t get it about time consumption largely due to this threads existence..


From 1994 to 1997, I provided volunteer support for a national (United States) online service via their bulletin boards. I\'m very familiar with the \"burden\" of having a title attached to one\'s name. In fact, when I took up a position agreeing with the company, I would sometimes get threats, both physical and economical (report me to the IRS for investigation for unclaimed \"revenue\" due to the perk of my monthly fee being waved for providing the support).

Stamping out the threads will not make \"the problem\" (lack of communication from the project) go away. All it will do is scatter the complaints into other threads and/or more new threads.

As I said, if the time being spent is too much, then you should evaluate whether or not you wish to continue.

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Message 6665 - Posted: 21 Jul 2008, 10:05:26 UTC
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There either is a Full Moon out or there must be something in the Water @ both the Cosmology & MilkyWay Project\'s as I see some serious discussion\'s going on at both Projects ... :)

All I\'ll say if someone accepts a Mod Job @ a Project then they should be willing to Dedicate themselves to Committing the Time & Effort to doing it right. Also if they have a problem with how the Projects being run or with the Projects Staff then they should take that up Internally & not bring it up on the Message Boards where it does nothing but throw a bad light on the Project & in the end does the Project no good at all ... IMO
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Message 6690 - Posted: 23 Jul 2008, 0:02:59 UTC
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In response to the last 3 posts I would like to know since when is it not ok to make a request for a change in something you don\'t see as working.I requested the change,I didn\'t demand it or force it.

I am trying to lessen bad feelings and make things easier, I hope ,and I am getting nothing but negative feelings back about this.... and...... your feedback is appreciated. I am sorry the written word was conveyed harshly...I am just a \'to the point\'guy :)
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Message 6716 - Posted: 23 Jul 2008, 10:50:45 UTC - in response to Message 6690.  

In response to the last 3 posts I would like to know since when is it not ok to make a request for a change in something you don\'t see as working.I requested the change,I didn\'t demand it or force it.

I am trying to lessen bad feelings and make things easier, I hope ,and I am getting nothing but negative feelings back about this.... and...... your feedback is appreciated. I am sorry the written word was conveyed harshly...I am just a \'to the point\'guy :)


Nobody said it was \"not ok\" to make the suggestion...

Not sure who you think has \"bad feelings\"... I\'ve long since learned to \"vote with my feet\", as it were. I switched off of the project when I saw that things weren\'t getting better. I saw some tasks freed up the other night, so I downloaded them to try to help \"clear the queues\". I have since been relatively addicted to Civ 4, so I haven\'t been working on them all that much. I\'m going to *hope* that today\'s effort whilst I\'m away at work will actually be successful. If not, I\'ll have burned 10 hours or so...

Anyway, back to the \"bad feelings\", personally, going by your posts on the subject, you might want to consider some introspection... If you find something to be a burden, then sometimes the best thing is to let go of that burden. It is tough, and I am sure I have no room to talk / lecture...

I\'m out until later...

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Message 6795 - Posted: 28 Jul 2008, 16:38:25 UTC
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WU error: Cant rename file. See below

Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:26 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Starting wu_072708_024324_0_4
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:26 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Starting task wu_072708_024324_0_4 using camb version 214
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:33 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|[error] Can\'t rename output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_0
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:38 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|[error] Can\'t rename output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_1
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:43 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|[error] Can\'t rename output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_2
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:48 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|[error] Can\'t rename output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_3
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:53 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|[error] Can\'t rename output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_4
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|[error] Can\'t rename output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_5
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Computation for task wu_072708_024324_0_4 finished
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_0 for task wu_072708_024324_0_4 absent
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_1 for task wu_072708_024324_0_4 absent
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_2 for task wu_072708_024324_0_4 absent
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_3 for task wu_072708_024324_0_4 absent
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_4 for task wu_072708_024324_0_4 absent
Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:11:59 PM BST|Cosmology@Home|Output file wu_072708_024324_0_4_5 for task wu_072708_024324_0_4 absent

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Message 6820 - Posted: 29 Jul 2008, 21:14:34 UTC

Is there a place to manually download the application and install it? Every WU since 2.13 started has failed here the instant it started. With 2.14, I see that the CAMB application file has a length of zero. Obviously it didn\'t download correctly, so I erased it. It was downloaded again with the next WU but came up with zero length again. After several repeats of this on several machines, I conclude that something is seriously wrong yet nothing is being done to address it. If I could get a clean download of the application, it might run, but no application with a length of zero can be executable.

My best guess is that the server is timing out and breaking the connection too soon rather than letting the download proceed to its end.
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Message 6821 - Posted: 29 Jul 2008, 22:03:39 UTC - in response to Message 6820.  

Is there a place to manually download the application and install it? Every WU since 2.13 started has failed here the instant it started. With 2.14, I see that the CAMB application file has a length of zero. ... If I could get a clean download of the application, it might run, but no application with a length of zero can be executable.

My best guess is that the server is timing out and breaking the connection too soon rather than letting the download proceed to its end.



In the Projects tab highlight Cosmology@Home and then push the Reset Project button on the left pane.
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Message 6838 - Posted: 31 Jul 2008, 11:50:42 UTC - in response to Message 6821.  

In the Projects tab highlight Cosmology@Home and then push the Reset Project button on the left pane.


Nope. That doesn\'t do anything helpful. It still downloads an application with a length of zero. I\'ve restarted, reset, deleted the application, and even detached and reattached, with the same results every time. Others are complaining about the same thing, and yet no one seems to care.

Apparently only Linux x86 platforms are affected. 2.13 had the same difficulty for a while and then it got fixed (though the WUs still kept failing.) Now 2.14 has it and has had it for a week, but it just stays the same.
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Message 6841 - Posted: 31 Jul 2008, 16:41:06 UTC

Say, I was wondering if project staff is planning on doing anything about the wu\'s that are running for hours and then getting 0 credit, and are these credit less results worth anything to the project? so far lots of crunch time has been waisted and it \"seems\" to be only affecting my linux machine. I know I am not alone in this, as others have been posting about it as well.
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Message 6842 - Posted: 31 Jul 2008, 18:08:20 UTC - in response to Message 6841.  

Say, I was wondering if project staff is planning on doing anything about the wu\'s that are running for hours and then getting 0 credit, and are these credit less results worth anything to the project? so far lots of crunch time has been waisted and it \"seems\" to be only affecting my linux machine. I know I am not alone in this, as others have been posting about it as well.


nope it\'s winodoze too - and it does not look like anyone will take care.

so it\'s opt out - byebye...

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Message 6915 - Posted: 5 Aug 2008, 11:15:52 UTC

I would appreciate, if somebody do something about \"unsent\" status.
80% of my WU\'s are like that.
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Message 6920 - Posted: 5 Aug 2008, 18:37:53 UTC - in response to Message 6915.  

I would appreciate, if somebody do something about \"unsent\" status.
80% of my WU\'s are like that.


Well unfortunately I also have a similar issue but I would not expect it to be cleared up anytime soon. For one atm of this post the validater is not running, Ben Wandelt is trying to fill the proj. Admin spot, and hords of people have jumped ship and are no longer crunching Cosmo wu\'s. it seems all of us who are deeply committed to this project will just have to be patient. Your best shot is to keep crunching and perhaps you will get those unsent wu\'s next time around ^_^
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