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Message 7380 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008, 12:07:07 UTC - in response to Message 7378.  
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check your account...in Cosmo\'s total credit line......you should see a different credit given that is not yet reflected in any BOINC stats yet...


My total for Cosmology on my Cosmology account matches that in Boinc Stats. Boinc Stats shows it last got an update from Cosmology at 19:35 utc on October 4th.

What is puzzling, I\'ve just checked Stan\'s account on Cosmology (clicked on his name in this thread) that shows 70,230. I checked his stats on Boinc Stats and that shows 70,230 - it has been the same there since October 1st. Next I followed the links in Cosmology to his computer and his tasks. He has 16 tasks marked over and didn\'t need - all with no entry in the credit column.

I guess it\'s possible somebody was trying to sort out the credits - realized they got it wrong and rolled it all back??


I doubt that the server will still know them when the admins have cleaned up, so the scheduler will probably reject them.


In their current state I doubt anyone will be able to post a result against them. But a few options are open to the project team, so it is anyone\'s guess what will happen when the project restarts.

If things are left as they are now we\'ll be in the same boat as last time. Units will come back to life as project housekeeping routines realise there are missing results for units and issue new tasks.

If a clean start really is to be made then we won\'t see any tasks for the current work units again.

There are, I guess, a few other options but I suspect they all involve a lot more work for the project team.

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G\'Day Phoneman1,
The credit has been awarded but it is only listed against the Result, not the work unit or the Host that did the work.
This is how the total that people have does not correlate with the Hosts total as it\'s been awarded but only added to the persons Total.

Scott at one stage was going through and adding the credits to the Hosts if people wanted it then he wrote a script to do this. It appears this has not been done this time or the last time the system went down. During both of the last two clean ups Scott\'s script was cleaned up as well.
This is a pity as I like to have my Host totals match my overall total.

I will thank our new Admin (Anshul and also Scott), as I have been awarded credit (at 120 credits per WU). This is at least much improved on what I got when it all went pear shaped last time.

A question remains though.
Do we still need to process the Work Units that we currently have or do we just abort them as the project has done ?????
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Message 7383 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008, 14:30:45 UTC - in response to Message 7380.  


The credit has been awarded but it is only listed against the Result, not the work unit or the Host that did the work.
This is how the total that people have does not correlate with the Hosts total as it\'s been awarded but only added to the persons Total.


G\'Day Conan,

Thanks for clearing that up. It was not what I took Stan\'s post to mean at all, as you\'ve guessed. All my tasks I\'ve checked so far that are not marked \"success done\" have been credited with 120. My total Cosmology points remains the same as that shown on Boinc Stats however, so I guess there is another script to be run that will update the totals per account.

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Message 7384 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008, 16:11:14 UTC

I have over 140 completed wu that have not been able to report. I did suspend the project because I still have a lot waiting to run. Some advise on what to do would be nice.
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Message 7385 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008, 17:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 7383.  

[quote]All my tasks I\'ve checked so far that are not marked \"success done\" have been credited with 120.


I still have 2 wu\'s uncredited and 2 more waiting to upload. Small problem compared to others, but still.
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Message 7386 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008, 18:38:20 UTC - in response to Message 7385.  

[quote][quote]All my tasks I\'ve checked so far that are not marked \"success done\" have been credited with 120.


Just to clarify - the 120 is showing credited against the task / result as here:
task / result

They do not show against a work unit:
work unit

They do not show against tasks for a host:
tasks for host

They probably won\'t show against a host (but could do if Scott gets a script fixed):
host summary

But should eventually show here:
account summary

Thanks to Conan if I\'ve got that right - all my I own fault if I\'ve got it wrong!

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Message 7387 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008, 21:47:15 UTC - in response to Message 7384.  

I have over 140 completed wu that have not been able to report. I did suspend the project because I still have a lot waiting to run. Some advise on what to do would be nice.


IF, and that\'s a big IF, the project handled things properly, if you have BOINC version 5.8.17 or higher you should\'ve received a message notifying your BOINC client to cancel the tasks on their own. I don\'t think they handled it properly though...
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Message 7389 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 1:59:55 UTC - in response to Message 7387.  

I have over 140 completed wu that have not been able to report. I did suspend the project because I still have a lot waiting to run. Some advise on what to do would be nice.


IF, and that\'s a big IF, the project handled things properly, if you have BOINC version 5.8.17 or higher you should\'ve received a message notifying your BOINC client to cancel the tasks on their own. I don\'t think they handled it properly though...


G\'Day Brian,
No message was sent to my computers to abort work units before the shut down of the project (I have 5.8.x clients).
As we are all unable to report any work no message can be sent back to our computers to flush out the last of the work units that we have.
As it looks like we should get credit anyway, I have just let all my work units keep going until finished as there is only about 20 left for me and I have finished all but 6 or 7 anyway.
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Message 7390 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 2:18:23 UTC - in response to Message 7389.  


As it looks like we should get credit anyway, I have just let all my work units keep going until finished as there is only about 20 left for me and I have finished all but 6 or 7 anyway.


I perhaps phrased things wrong. You won\'t see something stating \"abort all tasks you have\", the system should do it automatically. This is a cancel (abort) request from the project. Also I was wrong, the capability of force cancels goes back further than 5.8.17. It is the capability of conditionally aborting tasks that have not yet been started vs. those that have been started that takes place at 5.8.17 and higher...

As to what\'s left, that\'s valiant of you, but it is wasted energy. The tasks will not be used for anything given that there are no \"success\" tasks anymore and particularly since they state that they are getting rid of HR, and that\'s what those work units were supposed to be a test of (HR)...
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Message 7391 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 2:33:00 UTC

Brian, thanks for helping me make sense of what is going on. I happen to be running 5.10.45. Clearly no automatic message was received. My computers were crunching away. Quess I will just detach and re attach. I have way to many wu\'s to do it manually. It was a big waste of energy. Like I said over 150 completed that did not report in time. Hope the project comes back on line soon.
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Message 7392 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 3:43:02 UTC - in response to Message 7391.  

Brian, thanks for helping me make sense of what is going on. I happen to be running 5.10.45. Clearly no automatic message was received. My computers were crunching away. Quess I will just detach and re attach. I have way to many wu\'s to do it manually. It was a big waste of energy. Like I said over 150 completed that did not report in time. Hope the project comes back on line soon.


No problem. I wish that they\'d learn a bit how BOINC works. I don\'t know nearly as much as some of the other people posting around here. Plenty of volunteers could help guide the project into sensible decisions rather than knee-jerk reactions that, at least in the past, have proved less than effective...
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Message 7393 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 4:05:47 UTC - in response to Message 7392.  

Brian, thanks for helping me make sense of what is going on. I happen to be running 5.10.45. Clearly no automatic message was received. My computers were crunching away. Quess I will just detach and re attach. I have way to many wu\'s to do it manually. It was a big waste of energy. Like I said over 150 completed that did not report in time. Hope the project comes back on line soon.


No problem. I wish that they\'d learn a bit how BOINC works. I don\'t know nearly as much as some of the other people posting around here. Plenty of volunteers could help guide the project into sensible decisions rather than knee-jerk reactions that, at least in the past, have proved less than effective...


Well Brian, after due consideration, I have aborted all bar 1 remaining work unit (there were 6 left). I just have to wait to upload the results.

On the Server status page it is now showing 2221 Work Units to send with 491 in progress.
Yesterday there were zero work units to send.
Could it be that the projects server has deemed the a heap of work units are overdue and has decided to resend them out again?
If so then the database clean out has not been successful. We need to upload our old work so the database knows it is all finished and then the project can start with a clean slate and issue new work with none of the old stuff coming back into the picture.
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Message 7394 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 4:30:05 UTC - in response to Message 7393.  


On the Server status page it is now showing 2221 Work Units to send with 491 in progress.
Yesterday there were zero work units to send.
Could it be that the projects server has deemed the a heap of work units are overdue and has decided to resend them out again?
If so then the database clean out has not been successful. We need to upload our old work so the database knows it is all finished and then the project can start with a clean slate and issue new work with none of the old stuff coming back into the picture.


Several WUs among your computers have 2 \"unsent\" tasks attached to them, but I am unclear as to when those may have been there. My guess though is that they are new and are contributing to what the status page shows. That, of course, could be completely wrong, but given the past ineffectiveness of the sledgehammer fixes, it wouldn\'t surprise me...

The way I understand things, the result database is separate from the science database. I\'m very tired (heading for bed here...east coast USA), so I don\'t feel like validating what I\'m about to say (in other words, take it with a large grain of salt), but since they are fond of sledgehammering, the best bet would be to flat out delete all records in the results database. Once this is done, the tasks cannot \"come back from the dead\". It will also mean that any credit for work done discrepancies cannot be looked into, so perhaps a better way would be to clone the database and/or tables and then do the delete.

Goodnight...

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Message 7395 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 6:08:12 UTC - in response to Message 7394.  

Several WUs among your computers have 2 \"unsent\" tasks attached to them, but I am unclear as to when those may have been there. My guess though is that they are new and are contributing to what the status page shows.


Spot on Brian! I\'ve just clicked on Conan\'s name below and followed the link to his list of computers and clicked on the top one. The third work unit in the resulting list is this work unit. Clicking on the unsent tasks there reveals they were both created on October 6th. I\'ve checked a few of my own (formerley) pending work units some have a pair of unsent tasks, some have not.

Looks like a work unit creation process was started up and was shut down. The number to send and in progress is about the same as I remember when I checked 9 - 10 hours ago.

One possibility is the project team wanted some data to test new programs with. One of the many problems this project team has seems to be a lack of a dedicated test server.

I\'ve not downloaded any work yet but I did allow it again when I saw the new numbers on the sever status page yesterday evening.

I hope they\'ll have space to archive the current database (so they can sort out any credit issues) and start with an empty database when they re-open for business. If they restart with the database as it stands now, it will be a very non-clean start in my view.

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