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Message 7248 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 0:28:42 UTC

No Work: (There was work but it was commited to other platforms) I am getting this on both my computers running x86 linux and x86 windows XP. How would I fix this?
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Message 7251 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 7:05:54 UTC - in response to Message 7248.  

No Work: (There was work but it was commited to other platforms) I am getting this on both my computers running x86 linux and x86 windows XP. How would I fix this?

This is a serverside problem, so you can\'t do anything to fix it I\'m afraid. You will have to wait until the admins manage to find a way to unblock the logjam. Some workunits do trickle out, so you may still be able to acquire work intermittently.

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Message 7253 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 12:25:54 UTC

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Message 7257 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 1:36:51 UTC

It has been weeks for me ... no work ...

I sure wish they would fix the cursed servers ...
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Message 7262 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 15:19:08 UTC

i have tried for the last two days to get a WU....detached and reattached to project....reset...nothing is working....oh well...best just to wait until...


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Message 7263 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 15:32:43 UTC

I got a few of the Test WUs overnight and this morning, but most don\'t yet have a wingman.

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Message 7264 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 17:28:19 UTC
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I see Paul has some units since his post but Stan has still been unsuccessful. I wonder if Stan\'s machine is full of work for other projects and when it updates on Cosmology it asks for zero seconds of work?? If so he may want to force the issue by suspending the other projects tempoarily and trying to update Cosmology manually on the project tab in Boinc or BoincView.

If that fails to bring work he may need to adjust the \"maintain enough work\" setting in his account on Cosmology. Adding a fraction of a day to a whole day should be enough with the other projects suspended temporaily. Boinc will get the new setting when he updates Cosmology again and will automatically make a request for more work within a minute or so. This second (automatic) request should bring some test units if there are any left. The setting will be applied to his other projects when he unsuspends them so if he doesn\'t want to flood his machine with work he\'ll have to change the \"maintain enough work\" back and manually update Cosmology BEFORE unsuspending the other projects.

I\'m not sure why some of the units don\'t have wingmen - it has been a problem with some in the main pool as well in recent months.

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P.S. I\'m still getting test units last one came at 16:58utc - not had any \"no work sent\" instances since around 05:00utc today.
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Message 7265 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 17:53:11 UTC

Phoneman...appreciate your response.....tried your suggestion...but all I got was this several times over.....


9/13/2008 1:44:15 PM|Cosmology@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Requesting 518400 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
9/13/2008 1:44:20 PM|Cosmology@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks
9/13/2008 1:44:20 PM|Cosmology@Home|Message from server: No work sent
9/13/2008 1:44:20 PM|Cosmology@Home|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)



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Message 7266 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 18:25:38 UTC - in response to Message 7265.  


9/13/2008 1:44:20 PM|Cosmology@Home|Message from server: No work sent
9/13/2008 1:44:20 PM|Cosmology@Home|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)



That number of seconds should have been enough to bring at least 15 test units by my reckoning. One last thing to check go into your account on Cosmology and click the Resource share and graphics link. Make sure Run test units on the next page is set to yes. If not click edit preferences and set the radio button to yes and press update preferences. Go back to Boinc / Boincview and update Cosmology again. There will be a second automatic update within a minute - if there are any test units left you should get some.

You can leave the run test set to yes if you want - when the test units run out it will automatically go into the main pool for work - but there is no guarantee it will be successful of course!

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Message 7267 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 18:49:59 UTC

It\'s possible that the HR is so coarse that it checks on operating system and CPU, so if there\'s no one else with a Pentium 4 class CPU and Windows XP Home, that you don\'t get work.

I know Pentium 4 class CPUs do get work as my P4 3.0GHz did get test tasks, but I have WinXP Pro.
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Message 7268 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 19:51:29 UTC - in response to Message 7267.  

so if there\'s no one else with a Pentium 4 class CPU and Windows XP Home, that you don\'t get work.


Er, that would be finer granularity wouldn\'t it???

Some pretty exotic combinations have been paired together with these test units, see this thread.

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Message 7270 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 20:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 7268.  

Er, that would be finer granularity wouldn\'t it???

In normal BOINC, yeah. But I am still not sure if they use the normal HR here at Cosmo or a further refinement they made themselves.
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Message 7273 - Posted: 14 Sep 2008, 0:43:29 UTC - in response to Message 7253.  


Having to wait about 10 to 20 days on average between wu\'s seems to be rather excessive. Is it possible that wu\'s are not forth coming due to the computational ability of my main computer (six years old). I had considered including this project on my second self built computer, a mirror image of my main computer which is self built. Both will be running Linux HPC software when I\'ve learned how to use this OS correctly.
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Message 7274 - Posted: 14 Sep 2008, 5:39:55 UTC

Yes I have gotten a couple. But, my share is high and all the machines I am running are pretty fast and USED to get 4-5 a day ... I don\'t know what changed, or why, but it is sad one cannot get more work ... especially when there seems to be plenty of work to do ...

I wonder what the issue rate and \"in flight\" count is ...
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Message 7275 - Posted: 14 Sep 2008, 6:31:56 UTC - in response to Message 7274.  

I wonder what the issue rate and \"in flight\" count is ...


Don\'t know the answer to that but Boinc uses Long-term debt and work buffer figures from your machine to decide when and which projects to request new work from (that is if you have more than one project running). If Boinc isn\'t asking for a postive number of seconds from Cosmology as often as usual then it could be you\'ve added more projects to the list you crunch in recent months.

Test units are still available this morning - most recent to be downladed by one of my machines was at 06:11utc. When I saw some test units on my machine yesterday I suspended the other project I crunch when no work comes from the main Cosmo pool.

My machines don\'t seem to have any difficulty in getting Cosmo test units at the moment, they got regular downloads whenever they requested overnight and yesterday.....could change at any time when the test units run out though! So if you do suspend other projects to try and get more test units you\'ll need to regularily check your machine is busy.

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Message 7276 - Posted: 14 Sep 2008, 15:56:36 UTC - in response to Message 7266.  
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9/13/2008 1:44:20 PM|Cosmology@Home|Message from server: No work sent
9/13/2008 1:44:20 PM|Cosmology@Home|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)



That number of seconds should have been enough to bring at least 15 test units by my reckoning. One last thing to check go into your account on Cosmology and click the Resource share and graphics link. Make sure Run test units on the next page is set to yes. If not click edit preferences and set the radio button to yes and press update preferences. Go back to Boinc / Boincview and update Cosmology again. There will be a second automatic update within a minute - if there are any test units left you should get some.

You can leave the run test set to yes if you want - when the test units run out it will automatically go into the main pool for work - but there is no guarantee it will be successful of course!

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well, I should add that I was using the \"old Site\" and couldn\'t find the \"run Test\' button to set under Cosmo prefs....then, of course, it occurred to me to use the new BLACK site, and lo & behold, there was a button to be seen....
I marked it \'yes\', then updated and got 2 test units immediately...it was showing 9 hours for completion, so I waited to see some progress..it\'s now at 10 minutes for 12% completion...so I let it download another 13 tasks...
This was just to let anyone like me to help find that \'run test button switch\'
thanks to all & phoneman for the comments that goosed me to think straight...
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Message 7277 - Posted: 14 Sep 2008, 16:07:08 UTC

Glad you got some WUs Stan.

I still have several Test WUs from yesterday that have not been assigned wingmen yet. Test WUs I have gotten today all have wingmen assigned, so I\'m not sure what the problem is.



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Message 7278 - Posted: 14 Sep 2008, 17:45:23 UTC

Well done Stan for thinking of that, glad you were in time to get some test units. The Cosmo white background web site doesn\'t seem to be being maintained any more.

Incidentally, I see one of Stan\'s test units has an Intel quad core running Vista as a wingman so it looks like any Windows flavour OS can be paired together now on these test units - there was a debate here yesterday about whether XP Home was still in the same HR group as other Windows machines - it is.

Labbie, I have 1 or 2 pending units from yesterday where a wingman was assigned today - some 12+ hours later. Looks like problem maybe being looked into. However, the problem remains, I estimate 30% of my pending units have no wingmen with a task in progress. Most but not all have am unassigned task ready to go. Some have just my task and the unassigned, some have my pending task plus one or more aborted task and / or task not needed and ususally an unassigned task too. Problem affects units in the main pool and test units.

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Message 7279 - Posted: 14 Sep 2008, 22:26:58 UTC - in response to Message 7278.  

Well done Stan for thinking of that, glad you were in time to get some test units. The Cosmo white background web site doesn\'t seem to be being maintained any more.

Incidentally, I see one of Stan\'s test units has an Intel quad core running Vista as a wingman so it looks like any Windows flavour OS can be paired together now on these test units - there was a debate here yesterday about whether XP Home was still in the same HR group as other Windows machines - it is.

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Some other projects I think have a way around HR, I think by running another program after the result is returned which compensates for the differences in the chips, etc. I believe LHC and Docking do this.

If that would work for this project, that of course would be great, because everyone would have access to all the work units, it would not matter who the wingman was! :)
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Message 7281 - Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 7:42:38 UTC

LHC uses it\'s own math libs to get the same results from different platforms. SETI and a bit less than half of the projects use fuzzy logic in the validator so that slight variations do not invalidate the task. The rest use HR since it is easier to implement.
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