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Message 7126 - Posted: 25 Aug 2008, 23:52:54 UTC

I had only one WU in the last 18 days, but I don\'t find any announcements about a shutdown or any server trouble on this site, except that the server status indicates many WUs ready to go, and some in progress, but none further in the pipeline. What\'s going on?
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Message 7127 - Posted: 26 Aug 2008, 0:46:55 UTC

The project is in some kind of \"wait state\".
Scott is gone and Ben doesn\'t seem to have the time... and \"homogeneous redundancy\" does the rest.
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Message 7131 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 9:41:25 UTC

this project is dead guys!
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Message 7132 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 11:12:36 UTC - in response to Message 7131.  

this project is dead guys!

Actually no, there is something going on in the background, but that\'s all I can say about it. Just pointing out to keep your eyes on the news. Something is coming.
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Message 7138 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 20:53:50 UTC

Hey Guys, I only look in every now and again because this project has been dead for a while - Ben never noticed it dying and I expect Scott neglected to mention its demise on his resume.

However, chatter over at BoincStats seems to suggest that someone with knowledge & experience has been persuaded to help out or even come on board. Quite why said person would drink from this poisoned chalice is beyond me - however, if true, it can only be good for the project and the serially abused crunchers.

I\'d be happy to come back - but more of the same isn\'t an option.

Let\'s wait and see.

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Message 7139 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 21:46:15 UTC

Why is this any more a flame that the other similar ones in the thread?
It\'s totally true - the processes are not running, and nobody is doing anything about it.

Most of the backend server processes have died now, too.

Nobody home...\"

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Message 7141 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 21:51:11 UTC - in response to Message 7138.  

I don\'t suppose you have a link to this rumor?

Hey Guys, I only look in every now and again because this project has been dead for a while - Ben never noticed it dying and I expect Scott neglected to mention its demise on his resume.

However, chatter over at BoincStats seems to suggest that someone with knowledge & experience has been persuaded to help out or even come on board. Quite why said person would drink from this poisoned chalice is beyond me - however, if true, it can only be good for the project and the serially abused crunchers.

I\'d be happy to come back - but more of the same isn\'t an option.

Let\'s wait and see.

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Message 7142 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:28:37 UTC - in response to Message 7132.  

Something is coming.


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Message 7143 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:33:54 UTC - in response to Message 7142.  

Something is coming.




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Message 7144 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:35:58 UTC - in response to Message 7143.  

Then quit with the mysteries. If you know something, post it, instead of gloating over the fact that you think you know some secret.

The lack of sharing of information is part of what what killed this project.

Something is coming.




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Message 7145 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:44:59 UTC - in response to Message 7143.  


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Message 7146 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:45:05 UTC - in response to Message 7144.  

Then quit with the mysteries. If you know something, post it, instead of gloating over the fact that you think you know some secret.

The lack of sharing of information is part of what what killed this project.

Last I read you wanted to get rid of me, so tell me, why should I indulge you?

While I agree that the lack of information killed much of this project, I can\'t tell you what is going on, only that something is going on. As for the rumors, there\'s truth in them as well, though again I can\'t elaborate on what is true or not. Sometimes it sucks being in the loop.

All this posted in the hopes that Admin will release the information at some point this week.
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Message 7147 - Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:35:15 UTC

I would like to reiterate what Jord has said and add that the rumors elsewhere and the posts here are done in the spirit of trying to give the users who really care about this project some real hope. We mods are not in the habit of spreading false rumors and hope the little information we can give you can be enough for now. Thanks-Jeff
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Message 7148 - Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 0:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 7146.  

You\'re not indulging me. You would be distributing much needed informtion to all the users. If you couldn\'t say anything, then why post in the first place that there is an imminent change? Some sort of carrot to keep people here?

If you can\'t handle having secrets without teasing everyone about it, maybe you shouldn\'t be in the loop. It\'s a very childish thing - \"I\'ve got a secret, but I can\'t tell you! Neener Neener Neener\"

Then quit with the mysteries. If you know something, post it, instead of gloating over the fact that you think you know some secret.

The lack of sharing of information is part of what what killed this project.

Last I read you wanted to get rid of me, so tell me, why should I indulge you?

While I agree that the lack of information killed much of this project, I can\'t tell you what is going on, only that something is going on. As for the rumors, there\'s truth in them as well, though again I can\'t elaborate on what is true or not. Sometimes it sucks being in the loop.

All this posted in the hopes that Admin will release the information at some point this week.

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Message 7149 - Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 0:23:35 UTC - in response to Message 7148.  

You\'re not indulging me. You would be distributing much needed informtion to all the users. If you couldn\'t say anything, then why post in the first place that there is an imminent change? Some sort of carrot to keep people here?

More to counter the negativism taking over. It\'s not a secret per se, it\'s just something us moderators have agreed upon: We want the project to give out the news, not us.

And as such, I\'m keeping my word on that and repeating ad infinitum: Changes are coming.
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Message 7150 - Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 2:37:40 UTC

Okay, I\'m \"down with negativism\" for now, but I will say that the person that steps in and fixes this project will simply be referred to as \"The Miracle Worker\" from now on. :-P
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Message 7151 - Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 2:46:10 UTC


I understand the frustration however maybe they don\'t know all the specifics of everything and rather than give false info, all they can say is changes are forthcoming. I actually don\'t mind, it\'s more hope than I had yesterday!! Hope the announcement comes soon guys!
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Message 7152 - Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 11:45:04 UTC - in response to Message 7151.  


it\'s more hope than I had yesterday!!




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Message 7153 - Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 11:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 7150.  

Okay, I\'m \"down with negativism\" for now, but I will say that the person that steps in and fixes this project will simply be referred to as \"The Miracle Worker\" from now on. :-P

Mircale Worker? Yeah, well, so far this project has resembled the world stock markets...what goes up eventually comes crashing down. But unlike the stock market I can\'t make any money (credits) when the project is down.

Kidding aside, even if the project comes up and runs smoothly I now will/still have nagging questions about whether the project is serious about generating useable scientific data. The lack of oversight, communication and expeditious resolution of the problems has me wary about contributing any further. So if the project wants to fight \"negativism\" then produce something positive to change our minds and make it sustainable.

And please, get rid of that new black web design and reinstate something sane and less painful on my eyes (IMO, of course).
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Message 7157 - Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 15:49:57 UTC - in response to Message 7153.  
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Kidding aside, even if the project comes up and runs smoothly I now will/still have nagging questions about whether the project is serious about generating useable scientific data. The lack of oversight, communication and expeditious resolution of the problems has me wary about contributing any further.

It does appear that the project is not devoting sufficient resources to make this a top-notch, viable project, although it is still in Beta. However, once it does go into \"production\" mode, it will need much greater focus of attention and commitment of sufficient resources to make it viable. Hopefully after all the \"lessons learned\" during this Beta process, the project will be committed to fixing what went wrong.
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