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Message 5443 - Posted: 24 Mar 2008, 10:48:16 UTC

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i get ~200 Credits/hours for the wu´s. It´s that normal? Very much Credits - hehe
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Message 5444 - Posted: 24 Mar 2008, 11:07:02 UTC - in response to Message 5443.  

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i get ~200 Credits/hours for the wu´s. It´s that normal? Very much Credits - hehe


It averages out. On the short ones you will get much more than you claim but on the longer work units the amount per hour drops quite a lot.
I am only averaging 25 credits an hour over my 4 computers.
The new work units do seem a bit shorter than before though.
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Message 5446 - Posted: 24 Mar 2008, 13:11:15 UTC

I only have the new ones from yesterday - and than it´s a pretty good average. ;)
We will see how long the \"great\" WU´s are actually
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Message 5451 - Posted: 24 Mar 2008, 16:48:17 UTC

Well... normaly I don´t care that much about credits, but something has to be done now with those short WUs!

My average claim on all computers for the new WUs is about 13-15 credits and they get still 100 credits granted...


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Message 5452 - Posted: 24 Mar 2008, 19:07:44 UTC - in response to Message 5451.  

oops thought I was on the MilkyWay board for a minute. Just kidding just kidding...LOL *hides*

Ditto what Stefan said. I have been concerned about too much credit being issued since the lensing was removed. Does anyone know if this is only temporary and eventually they will go back to being longer?

Looking at my results I have some that claim 10 some that claim 50 and a few at 70 however. So perhaps it balances out over the long run.

I really think in all seriousness before any rash or knee jerk changes are made those making decisions need to take a careful look at what just happened at MilkyWay.

In thinking about all this as I never really worried about credit much before.....My first instincts, I am sure like many others, is that credit needs to be as even as possible across projects. Upon more thought though, it seems to me that that isn\'t necessarily as fair as it would seem. Shouldn\'t some projects \"pay\" their \"employees\" higher based on the importance and substance of the research being done? Now who is to deem what is important obviously is the question and one with no practical answers. But certain projects I don\'t feel are terribly important so I don\'t crunch them...I crunch cosmology because I think it is brilliant science and very well run. There is something to be said for if it isn\'t broken don\'t fix it.
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Message 5458 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 2:27:17 UTC

Forget about the credit/hour right now. I first would like to know what changes were made to the WU generator that would cause the task runtimes to drop to perhaps 33% (on my cpu) of what they used to be. Are the parameters different, less inclusive? Is the WU generator flawed or not? If not, is the change permanent? Will lensing be re-instated again after Scott investigates the problems we had with it? We need to know where we\'re at and where we\'re going before worrying about whether the credit granted is appropriate or not.
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Message 5460 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 8:06:08 UTC
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Indeed a very high credit of 100 points flatrate granted for claims of 10-20 points.
The old WU\'s re-run after system fix were running for hours (50-60 points) now there are all small packages for a little more tha 10 claimed points each = inflation !

Some of the older bigger WU\'s don\'t got credit (even success) and some run on an error e,g, hanging forever at 95% (after hours I aborted the WU).

I hope the new (smaller) WU\'s are really ok now, not that we are crunching for nothing.
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Message 5473 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 15:20:09 UTC

When its fixed?
All new generated WUs are also short?
Is it not better to set the credits in WU template?
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Message 5474 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 17:54:00 UTC

I just made two announcements on the homepage about this, actually. We are going to lower the credits temporarily since the WUs don\'t take as long to complete. However, it will be going right back up once we get it fixed.
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Message 5476 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 18:05:30 UTC - in response to Message 5474.  
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I just made two announcements on the homepage about this, actually. We are going to lower the credits temporarily since the WUs don\'t take as long to complete. However, it will be going right back up once we get it fixed.


For the current time 30-40 is a good value.
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Message 5484 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 23:21:59 UTC - in response to Message 5476.  

For the current time 30-40 is a good value.


Cosmo\'s user base probably includes a percentage of competitive crunchers to whom credit is important if not the prime motive(myself included,which in no way devalues my contribution.)A reduction to 30-40 would likley cause the same situation that occured at milky way. cosmo has always been a high paying project why look for reasons to change that at this late stage. 80 is low enough.

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Message 5600 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 20:36:54 UTC - in response to Message 5484.  

A reduction to 30-40 would likley cause the same situation that occured at milky way. cosmo has always been a high paying project why look for reasons to change that at this late stage. 80 is low enough.


Yes Cosmo has always been a high paying project, but is it good?

I think that reduction to 30-40 credits per WU will be better in the long time period. 80 is still a high.
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Message 5602 - Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 8:16:40 UTC - in response to Message 5600.  

Date 26 March
I just made two announcements on the homepage about this, actually. We are going to lower the credits temporarily since the WUs don\'t take as long to complete. However, it will be going right back up once we get it fixed.
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I have just checked on BOINCstats, and everybody has credits ending in zero zero.

Does that mean that no credit has been granted for any WU issued since 26 March when they changed to eight zero and they are ALL still pending?
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Message 5603 - Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 8:53:53 UTC

Server Status = Workunits waiting for validation 31,569, some Credit has been Granted but there is a big backlog of them waiting for Validation.

PS: We have been pretty much Hung Out To Dry here by the Dev\'s with many problems and absolutely no Communication what so ever from them on what is being done about them or what we should do for the last week or so ... o_0
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Message 5670 - Posted: 1 Apr 2008, 23:43:29 UTC - in response to Message 5603.  

Server Status = Workunits waiting for validation 31,569, some Credit has been Granted but there is a big backlog of them waiting for Validation.

PS: We have been pretty much Hung Out To Dry here by the Dev\'s with many problems and absolutely no Communication what so ever from them on what is being done about them or what we should do for the last week or so ... o_0



Hi PoorBoy -

I didn\'t actually realize that there was a problem until late last week. I did know that there had been some teething problems earlier with our new version of CAMB (which is able to calculate a much wider range of cosmological models). Our focus will always be to push the research boundaries - and that always means one is trying new and unfamiliar things.

With this latest issue Scott sprang into action as soon as he could. He was not actually able to log in remotely, since the problem slowed down the server so much. As soon as he came back into town he set up next to the cosmologyathome server and was able to resolve the issue (which was no fault of his) very quickly.

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Message 5681 - Posted: 2 Apr 2008, 9:47:47 UTC

Things seem to be a lot better this morning Ben, so whatever Scott\'s been doing has started to take effect. The Server seems to be responding faster, Wu\'s waiting for Validation are going down & getting new Wu\'s seems easier too .. :)
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Message 5682 - Posted: 2 Apr 2008, 10:32:55 UTC
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It would be good to reduce the credits of newer WUs to 40 as long as newer longer WUs are out again.
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Message 5692 - Posted: 3 Apr 2008, 1:00:27 UTC - in response to Message 5682.  

It would be good to reduce the credits of newer WUs to 40 as long as newer longer WUs are out again.


Sorry Rebirther, but I disagree with this.
With all the problems we have been having lately, the extra that we get on the successful work units helps to pay for the zero credit ones, lost ones, cancelled ones, aborted ones, looping ones, etc.
So I think the current amount is good to cover all that, plus the stress on our computers and ourselves.


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Message 5718 - Posted: 3 Apr 2008, 22:01:20 UTC

The current amount is beyond any reason. It\'s up to 10 times of what\'s claimed. Cosmo was always a project with far more than average credit per work done, but this is over the top.

30 per WU is enough, 40 is very generous, more is cheating.
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Message 5719 - Posted: 3 Apr 2008, 22:05:38 UTC - in response to Message 5718.  

The current amount is beyond any reason. It\'s up to 10 times of what\'s claimed. Cosmo was always a project with far more than average credit per work done, but this is over the top.

30 per WU is enough, 40 is very generous, more is cheating.



What % of projects honestly use benchmarks vs those who don\'t? Isn\'t this how you are basing your harsh opinion?
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