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Message 4777 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 19:54:23 UTC

Hi,

according to the statistics, today I\'ve received about 5000 credits without knowing why. I lost about 5 crunched WUs due to the server problems, which should equal 500 credits, though the Tasks page shows these have not been granted (which doesn\'t really matter). Where are the 5000 credits from?
Has this happened to anyone else, too?
Not that I\'m complaining at all, but this project is already very generous with the credits...
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Message 4779 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 20:34:01 UTC

I too am being given too much credit per work-unit (beyond the 100 credits everyone got as a result of the glitch yesterday).

For example, for each of the three work-units I returned today (those that are not pending) I received 100 points of granted credit, thus receiving a total of 300 points given for claimed credits of only 40.76, 21.16 and 39.86 points each.

Also, as a C@H newbie, I found it refreshing that we were given immediate and thorough explanations regarding the nature of the recent problems and the up-to-date progress reports toward their resolution. I think it\'s great that the administrators are so mindful of our interests in this program and keep us well-informed. :-)
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Message 4781 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 20:42:24 UTC

Possibly the credit was compensation for \'Pending Credit\' lost in the Server Shuffle??
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Message 4782 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 20:52:40 UTC - in response to Message 4779.  

I too am being given too much credit per work-unit (beyond the 100 credits everyone got as a result of the glitch yesterday).

For example, for each of the three work-units I returned today (those that are not pending) I received 100 points of granted credit, thus receiving a total of 300 points given for claimed credits of only 40.76, 21.16 and 39.86 points each.

Also, as a C@H newbie, I found it refreshing that we were given immediate and thorough explanations regarding the nature of the recent problems and the up-to-date progress reports toward their resolution. I think it\'s great that the administrators are so mindful of our interests in this program and keep us well-informed. :-)


Credits here are being granted in fixed amounts of 100 points, regardless of the credit claim. This is to help offset issues with app crashing and with other stuff that could happen from time to time with a project that is in testing phases. This project is currently a \"beta\" level project...

So, what you are seeing with only 400 credits is perfectly normal for this project :-)
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Message 4783 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 21:00:01 UTC

On the other end of the spectrum you\'ll find me. Not only did I not get my pending credits prior to the glitch, I also did not get any \"free\" credits for the work I had queued up - not that I\'m after the latter, but I\'d really like to get the former fixed. The work was done, after all.
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Message 4784 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 21:00:16 UTC - in response to Message 4777.  

Hi,

according to the statistics, today I\'ve received about 5000 credits without knowing why. I lost about 5 crunched WUs due to the server problems, which should equal 500 credits, though the Tasks page shows these have not been granted (which doesn\'t really matter). Where are the 5000 credits from?
Has this happened to anyone else, too?
Not that I\'m complaining at all, but this project is already very generous with the credits...


It looks like it happened to some people, but not all people. The concept was that due to the server changes over the past few days, nearly all work that hosts had as outstanding (non-error condition) would be awarded credit. So, based on the concept of what Scott had said, what happened to you should\'ve happened to a great many people.

As for myself, it did not. Is that a terrible problem for me? No. I figure I\'m out about 300 earned credits, but if it had all worked out like it did for you, I would\'ve gained about 1500-2000 credits that I otherwise would not have received until I actually did the work. I also was not terribly enthused about the principle of awarding the credits like that with 0 seconds of work, as it is probably going to skyrocket the statistic that David Anderson rolls in his sleep over, the average credit per cpu second. Yesterday for Cosmology it was about 1.67X SETI. I don\'t know if the figure has been updated yet. We\'ll see what it looks like in a day or so...
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Message 4787 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 21:58:28 UTC

Still, 5000 (5100 to be precise) credit is too much in my case; I might have had a maximum of 20 WUs in the cache, and about 5 had been crunched. Also, my pending credits before the troubles were only a few hundred.
Of course, I\'m not unhappy to get a few free credits ;-)
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Message 4789 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 22:07:40 UTC - in response to Message 4787.  

Still, 5000 (5100 to be precise) credit is too much in my case; I might have had a maximum of 20 WUs in the cache, and about 5 had been crunched. Also, my pending credits before the troubles were only a few hundred.
Of course, I\'m not unhappy to get a few free credits ;-)


I would guess that it is possible that the SQL script was not good enough and assigned batches of credit from multiple people to a single person... Dunno. All I do know is per Scott\'s statement, I should\'ve seen some credit and I have not...
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Message 4790 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 22:08:37 UTC

Greetings,

I too am one that received no credit whatsoever for 10 pending work units, and an additional 10 that were in progress--6 of which had been completed and awaiting upload. Not that any of that matters in the least.

What does matter is the good will of the participants who run the calculations. From that perspective alone, whatever action is deemed appropriate with regards to work units that were pending or in progress at the time of the problems, that action need be applied uniformly and fairly for each and every participant.

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Message 4791 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 22:52:29 UTC

Hello All-

When all of this occurred and the project made the decision to cancel all the old work they had 2 options....either no one got any credit or all outstanding work got credit....there was no way to know who had crunched what in their queues when it was decided to grant credit.For some there was no \"bonus\" as they had crunched all they had...others for some reason did not see that credit transferred to them...they did not \"pick out\" users to grant credit to.
For some reason some did not get any credit.

Scott had asked anyone who was concerned that didn\'t get credit to please PM him to avoid having a thread like this to pop up....the project did the best they could at the time to make everyone happy and to cut the noise level of complaints down. Please take that into consideration when posting about not getting credit or getting too much credit.

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Message 4792 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 22:59:55 UTC

No complaining was intended.
I simply did not understand where the credit came from, and wanted to see if it was a common occurence. I still do not understand why I was granted so much, but will leave it at that.
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Message 4793 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 23:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 4792.  

No complaining was intended.
I simply did not understand where the credit came from, and wanted to see if it was a common occurence. I still do not understand why I was granted so much, but will leave it at that.


No problem Kenneth- The credit received should have been all work in queues plus all pending each by 100 credits to get the total you received.
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Message 4794 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 23:09:03 UTC - in response to Message 4791.  
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the project did the best they could at the time to make everyone happy and to cut the noise level of complaints down. Please take that into consideration when posting about not getting credit or getting too much credit.


Bear in mind that I\'m just commenting. I think I\'ve made it perfectly clear that I\'m not upset and that I\'ve been short-changed in my real life way too much in the past year to really care about not getting something I didn\'t deserve in the first place...

I really don\'t have a gripe with what was done. I stated I may have been out 300 credits of earned work, but the more I think about it, it may have only been 100 (1 result on my AMD which was in progress, but was set to didn\'t need)...

Anyway, as noted by Fred, many tasks are showing granted credit when you look at the task detail page, but that granted credit doesn\'t appear to have updated the grand totals. Take this result of mine for an example...
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Message 4796 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 23:13:20 UTC

Greetings,

Nor was I complaining. Indeed, I was making a suggestion.

As a member of the scientific community, I am very cognizant of the fact that even the smallest mis-perception can have dire consequences for a splendid research effort. In the general case it can lead to loss of funding or the inability to attract students; in this case perhaps the loss of participants. Neither is warranted, yet both can, and have happened.

What I was suggesting is that the identical treatment be applied to all--and that has yet to be accomplished.

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Message 4799 - Posted: 25 Jan 2008, 23:33:56 UTC - in response to Message 4794.  

the project did the best they could at the time to make everyone happy and to cut the noise level of complaints down. Please take that into consideration when posting about not getting credit or getting too much credit.


Bear in mind that I\'m just commenting. I think I\'ve made it perfectly clear that I\'m not upset and that I\'ve been short-changed in my real life way too much in the past year to really care about not getting something I didn\'t deserve in the first place...

I really don\'t have a gripe with what was done. I stated I may have been out 300 credits of earned work, but the more I think about it, it may have only been 100 (1 result on my AMD which was in progress, but was set to didn\'t need)...

Anyway, as noted by Fred, many tasks are showing granted credit when you look at the task detail page, but that granted credit doesn\'t appear to have updated the grand totals. Take this result of mine for an example...


This occurred because the validator did not grant credit ...it was done by a script.

Greetings,

Nor was I complaining. Indeed, I was making a suggestion.

As a member of the scientific community, I am very cognizant of the fact that even the smallest mis-perception can have dire consequences for a splendid research effort. In the general case it can lead to loss of funding or the inability to attract students; in this case perhaps the loss of participants. Neither is warranted, yet both can, and have happened.

What I was suggesting is that the identical treatment be applied to all--and that has yet to be accomplished.

Best regards,
EigenState

Identical treatment for all was attempted.
It may never be accomplished EigenState due to the fact that those results are now deleted from the database. Obviously there was a problem with the script and things didn\'t work out perfect.....yesterday was a less than perfect day....at one point old work was being sent back out and had to be aborted by the server.
I understand your point about ill-will but this project is in Beta and if you followed the events of the last 2 days the administration has been trying its hardest to fix and communicate what it can,and has apologized for the problems to its users.
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Message 4805 - Posted: 26 Jan 2008, 0:13:07 UTC - in response to Message 4799.  


Anyway, as noted by Fred, many tasks are showing granted credit when you look at the task detail page, but that granted credit doesn\'t appear to have updated the grand totals. Take this result of mine for an example...


This occurred because the validator did not grant credit ...it was done by a script.


OK, but my totals did not get updated for that 100. That happened for any and all results of mine that were marked \"didn\'t need\" where Granted Credit > 0. Somewhere in the middle of all of that, I did a detach/reattach sequence. I do not know if that played a part in it or not.

I have PM\'d Scott, but unless you have information directly from him, I would suggest that it might behoove you to not jump to conclusions that people are angry when they are not. In fact, your jumping into this thread has only so far caused me to have mild frustration over something that initially hadn\'t bothered me in the slightest...

I understand that you don\'t want people \"beating up on Scott\". I saw several posts that were like that. You need to be careful that you don\'t lump any and all discussion into a categorization of \"bashing\", which is what it appears you have already started doing...

IMO, YMMV, etc, etc, etc...
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Message 4810 - Posted: 26 Jan 2008, 0:35:40 UTC - in response to Message 4805.  


Anyway, as noted by Fred, many tasks are showing granted credit when you look at the task detail page, but that granted credit doesn\'t appear to have updated the grand totals. Take this result of mine for an example...


This occurred because the validator did not grant credit ...it was done by a script.


OK, but my totals did not get updated for that 100. That happened for any and all results of mine that were marked \"didn\'t need\" where Granted Credit > 0. Somewhere in the middle of all of that, I did a detach/reattach sequence. I do not know if that played a part in it or not.

I have PM\'d Scott, but unless you have information directly from him, I would suggest that it might behoove you to not jump to conclusions that people are angry when they are not. In fact, your jumping into this thread has only so far caused me to have mild frustration over something that initially hadn\'t bothered me in the slightest...

I understand that you don\'t want people \"beating up on Scott\". I saw several posts that were like that. You need to be careful that you don\'t lump any and all discussion into a categorization of \"bashing\", which is what it appears you have already started doing...

IMO, YMMV, etc, etc, etc...


Mr.Silvers it is you who is jumping to conclusions...please DO NOT put words into my mouth that weren\'t said or inferred. I am trying to explain what happened as being informational if you take it as being anything else so be it.
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Message 4812 - Posted: 26 Jan 2008, 1:00:45 UTC - in response to Message 4810.  


Anyway, as noted by Fred, many tasks are showing granted credit when you look at the task detail page, but that granted credit doesn\'t appear to have updated the grand totals. Take this result of mine for an example...


This occurred because the validator did not grant credit ...it was done by a script.


OK, but my totals did not get updated for that 100. That happened for any and all results of mine that were marked \"didn\'t need\" where Granted Credit > 0. Somewhere in the middle of all of that, I did a detach/reattach sequence. I do not know if that played a part in it or not.

I have PM\'d Scott, but unless you have information directly from him, I would suggest that it might behoove you to not jump to conclusions that people are angry when they are not. In fact, your jumping into this thread has only so far caused me to have mild frustration over something that initially hadn\'t bothered me in the slightest...

I understand that you don\'t want people \"beating up on Scott\". I saw several posts that were like that. You need to be careful that you don\'t lump any and all discussion into a categorization of \"bashing\", which is what it appears you have already started doing...

IMO, YMMV, etc, etc, etc...


Mr.Silvers it is you who is jumping to conclusions...please DO NOT put words into my mouth that weren\'t said or inferred. I am trying to explain what happened as being informational if you take it as being anything else so be it.


Please don\'t use \"Mr.\"... First, it makes me feel old. Second, the context of the remainder indicates forced politeness and borderline \"talking down to\"...

Jeff, your message appeared to assume that I didn\'t understand that a script was run and that the validator didn\'t grant the credit. However, a bit further down, I made mention of a SQL script...

Please, if you want to make an assumption, assume that I do have a bit of logical reasoning skills rattling around upstairs... ;-)
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Message 4813 - Posted: 26 Jan 2008, 1:00:55 UTC - in response to Message 4810.  

OK, but my totals did not get updated for that 100. That happened for any and all results of mine that were marked \"didn\'t need\" where Granted Credit > 0. Somewhere in the middle of all of that, I did a detach/reattach sequence. I do not know if that played a part in it or not.

I have PM\'d Scott, but unless you have information directly from him, I would suggest that it might behoove you to not jump to conclusions that people are angry when they are not. In fact, your jumping into this thread has only so far caused me to have mild frustration over something that initially hadn\'t bothered me in the slightest...

I understand that you don\'t want people \"beating up on Scott\". I saw several posts that were like that. You need to be careful that you don\'t lump any and all discussion into a categorization of \"bashing\", which is what it appears you have already started doing...

IMO, YMMV, etc, etc, etc...


Mr.Silvers it is you who is jumping to conclusions...please DO NOT put words into my mouth that weren\'t said or inferred. I am trying to explain what happened as being informational if you take it as being anything else so be it.


Have to agree with JRenkar here. The project admin(s) have done erverything they can yesterday trying to solve the problem while still being informative to it\'s participants on current issues and trying to please most people credit-wise on (in)completed WU\'s. It didn\'t completely turn out ok afterwards but what I read mostly here is people saying they don\'t care about credit but they are complaining about it. If someone didn\'t care about something, they would also \'not complain\' about it. I was kinda called a credit hound on another alpha project where the admins asked a question about credit. I replied with an answer which has been moderated (and deleted) by an admin while he gave me the reason that I was right but he\'d deleted my message and the message I replied too (hopefully doesn\'t happen here but also don\'t post if you don\'t like suggestions, even if they seem/are not so smart).

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Please don\'t use \"Mr.\"... First, it makes me feel old. Second, the context of the remainder indicates forced politeness and borderline \"talking down to\"...

Jeff, your message appeared to assume that I didn\'t understand that a script was run and that the validator didn\'t grant the credit. However, a bit further down, I made mention of a SQL script...

Please, if you want to make an assumption, assume that I do have a bit of logical reasoning skills rattling around upstairs... ;-)


Brian-The problem I see here is you are assuming I am only directing my comments toward YOU about what happened....the audience here is much wider than that :)
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