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Message 4158 - Posted: 5 Dec 2007, 11:17:08 UTC
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G\'Day Scott,
First things first, thanks for the granting of credit to all the WU\'s that were uploaded on the 15/11/07 but left at pending.

Now the serious stuff, I raised this once before in the thread \"Is The Validator Working\".

A couple of times now (1st time 40 days ago and now again today (5/12)), when you have done your credit adjustment and granted credit then deleted the work units involved, the granted credit has only been added to the total.

Why has the now validated totals not been added to each computer that actually got the credit?

It appears to just be added to the overall total.

There is now an 8,000 point difference between my overall total and my computers totals (a coincedence that I had exactly 4,000 granted to me on each occasion).

From the records that I have kept my Host 2573 should have 2,100 extra points (1,300 from 40 days ago and 800 from today), Host 4475 and extra 3,300 (1,500 + 1,800) and Host 4648 an extra 2,600 (1,200 + 1,400).

Can you explain how this added credit is applied?

Is the validator involved in this?
If it is not then that might explain how the credit bypasses the computers and just gets added to the total instead.

Thanks to you and Ben for keeping this project running and keeping us informed.

Keep smiling as it makes others wonder what you have been up to.
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Message 4159 - Posted: 5 Dec 2007, 15:39:19 UTC - in response to Message 4158.  

G\'Day Scott,
First things first, thanks for the granting of credit to all the WU\'s that were uploaded on the 15/11/07 but left at pending.

Now the serious stuff, I raised this once before in the thread \"Is The Validator Working\".

A couple of times now (1st time 40 days ago and now again today (5/12)), when you have done your credit adjustment and granted credit then deleted the work units involved, the granted credit has only been added to the total.

Why has the now validated totals not been added to each computer that actually got the credit?

It appears to just be added to the overall total.

There is now an 8,000 point difference between my overall total and my computers totals (a coincedence that I had exactly 4,000 granted to me on each occasion).

From the records that I have kept my Host 2573 should have 2,100 extra points (1,300 from 40 days ago and 800 from today), Host 4475 and extra 3,300 (1,500 + 1,800) and Host 4648 an extra 2,600 (1,200 + 1,400).

Can you explain how this added credit is applied?

Is the validator involved in this?
If it is not then that might explain how the credit bypasses the computers and just gets added to the total instead.

Thanks to you and Ben for keeping this project running and keeping us informed.

Keep smiling as it makes others wonder what you have been up to.


Argh! I knew I was forgetting something.

I\'ve changed my script to grant credit to the hosts as well... but it\'s a little late now. It\'ll work in the future, though.

For now, I\'ll update your host credit totals myself. As for everybody else, if you want me to update yours as well, tell me how you\'d like the credit distributed (all in one machine or whatever), and I\'ll fix it.

Sorry for the trouble (again); this is the last time it\'ll happen.
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Message 4172 - Posted: 5 Dec 2007, 23:27:33 UTC - in response to Message 4159.  

G\'Day Scott,
First things first, thanks for the granting of credit to all the WU\'s that were uploaded on the 15/11/07 but left at pending.

Now the serious stuff, I raised this once before in the thread \"Is The Validator Working\".

A couple of times now (1st time 40 days ago and now again today (5/12)), when you have done your credit adjustment and granted credit then deleted the work units involved, the granted credit has only been added to the total.

Why has the now validated totals not been added to each computer that actually got the credit?

It appears to just be added to the overall total.

There is now an 8,000 point difference between my overall total and my computers totals (a coincedence that I had exactly 4,000 granted to me on each occasion).

From the records that I have kept my Host 2573 should have 2,100 extra points (1,300 from 40 days ago and 800 from today), Host 4475 and extra 3,300 (1,500 + 1,800) and Host 4648 an extra 2,600 (1,200 + 1,400).

Can you explain how this added credit is applied?

Is the validator involved in this?
If it is not then that might explain how the credit bypasses the computers and just gets added to the total instead.

Thanks to you and Ben for keeping this project running and keeping us informed.

Keep smiling as it makes others wonder what you have been up to.


Argh! I knew I was forgetting something.

I\'ve changed my script to grant credit to the hosts as well... but it\'s a little late now. It\'ll work in the future, though.

For now, I\'ll update your host credit totals myself. As for everybody else, if you want me to update yours as well, tell me how you\'d like the credit distributed (all in one machine or whatever), and I\'ll fix it.

Sorry for the trouble (again); this is the last time it\'ll happen.


Thanks Scott, all is now adding up.
Your quick work and responses are very much appreciated and another reason this is becoming (sorry, I mean has become lol) my number one project, you leave the others behind (at LHC I patiently waited (with a few prompts) for over a year to get a response from the project team and get an issue fixed up).
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Message 4184 - Posted: 6 Dec 2007, 8:31:41 UTC

In normal cases this is not worth worrying about. The computer total often does not add up to the overall total. Small differences appear due to caching issues. Larger differences come in when deleting and merging computers.

RAC NEVER adds up. Since it is heavily time dependent and a credit event affects one computer and the total they are always out of sync.
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Message 5364 - Posted: 21 Mar 2008, 8:20:12 UTC
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G\'Day Scott,
When you aborted the current CAMB 2.12 work units (which I was having very little problems with), your announcement says you granted credit for those WU\'s that had been processed already.

On checking I noticed that even though it shows I still have 44 pending WU\'s they in fact have been granted credit (when I go into the WU), and it seems this has been added to the Host totals.

This is great and thanks for this.

My problem is that the Hosts now add up to more than my Project Total.

I have 386,190 as a Project total.
I have 399,690 as a Host total.
A difference of 13,500.

I have 44 WU\'s in Pending with a total of 4,400.
Even if I add the pending to the project total I only get 390,590.

So I believe the WU\'s with pending on them need to show they have now been given credit and so will clear the Pending queue.
Also all the credit that was added to the hosts needs to be added to the Project Total as well.

This is the reverse of the problem in December when the hosts added up to less than the total.

Thanks for your time and effort in this matter Scott and I hope your problems will be less from now on.
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Message 5421 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 12:57:13 UTC - in response to Message 5364.  
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G\'Day Scott,
When you aborted the current CAMB 2.12 work units (which I was having very little problems with), your announcement says you granted credit for those WU\'s that had been processed already.

On checking I noticed that even though it shows I still have 44 pending WU\'s they in fact have been granted credit (when I go into the WU), and it seems this has been added to the Host totals.

This is great and thanks for this.

My problem is that the Hosts now add up to more than my Project Total.

I have 386,190 as a Project total.
I have 399,690 as a Host total.
A difference of 13,500.

I have 44 WU\'s in Pending with a total of 4,400.
Even if I add the pending to the project total I only get 390,590.

So I believe the WU\'s with pending on them need to show they have now been given credit and so will clear the Pending queue.
Also all the credit that was added to the hosts needs to be added to the Project Total as well.

This is the reverse of the problem in December when the hosts added up to less than the total.

Thanks for your time and effort in this matter Scott and I hope your problems will be less from now on.


This still has not rectified itself yet Scott.
My computer hosts add up to 13,500 cobblestones more than my overall total.
When the granted points were given out for the cancelled WU\'s they were added to the hosts but not the overall total.

It seems my original pending query has been sorted out but not the overall totals.

Thanks Scott, for all your extra work recently in sorting things out for your project and your volunteers.
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Message 5424 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 13:35:02 UTC - in response to Message 5421.  
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You\'re right, something is wrong there - I have the same issue but I didn\'t post about it, because it\'s hard to keep track of what exactly those extra grantings for faulty WU series did, so I don\'t know wether my hosts have too many or my user account has too little credits.
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Message 5425 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 13:51:51 UTC

So what is wrong exactly? I have one computer only and my project total on the account page is equal to the host total on the computer summary page. I believe I was granted some credit in the same manner as you all. When we had this problem before (last year?) my totals were equal then also. So what is different between having one host or multiple hosts in the way the summation is carried out?
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Message 5426 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 14:46:11 UTC
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My compter totals match my over all total however, when this all started I had 19,900 total credits and 6 WU pending when all the WUs were cancelled. I see in the task list that credits for the 6 WUs that were pending show as granted but they were never applied to the overall total nor were they applied to the computer totals.
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Message 5427 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 14:51:24 UTC
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My hosts cumulate to 2300+4300+3700+19300+4800=34400
Current user total = 27300

The difference is 7100. If that comes from 4800+2300, 2 hosts would be missing.

Something must have gone wrong with the SQLs that updated the database, maybe concurrent SQLs running in dirty read mode instead of repeatable read or lock mode exclusive.

Otoh. for Conan\'s difference there is not such a simple explanation, so it might be just coincidence that my difference matches the sum of 2 hosts.

p.s.: my pending list is empty, so it\'s not a pending issue either.
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Message 5429 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 16:39:42 UTC

My computer totals (4 PCs) are 1,600 higher than my account page total.



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Message 5430 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 17:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 5429.  

My computer totals (4 PCs) are 1,600 higher than my account page total.



Curious - My Account Page total (2 PC\'s - a man and a boy - i.e. a desktop quaddie and a laptop duo) is 1400 higher than the sum of the Host totals.

Just the reverse.

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Message 5431 - Posted: 23 Mar 2008, 17:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 5430.  

My computer totals (4 PCs) are 1,600 higher than my account page total.



Curious - My Account Page total (2 PC\'s - a man and a boy - i.e. a desktop quaddie and a laptop duo) is 1400 higher than the sum of the Host totals.

Just the reverse.

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Message 5459 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 8:05:48 UTC

Catching up : I\'m currently crunching 100% POEM@Home (there\'s a little race) and I don\'t have any pending credits at Cosmo but still I receive credits.

So I guess there are invisible pending credits and my total will sooner or later reach the cumulated credits of my computers.
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Message 5461 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 11:24:49 UTC - in response to Message 5459.  

Catching up : I\'m currently crunching 100% POEM@Home (there\'s a little race) and I don\'t have any pending credits at Cosmo but still I receive credits.

So I guess there are invisible pending credits and my total will sooner or later reach the cumulated credits of my computers.


That is good news for you Ananas, but alas, I still have the same 13,500 credits less in my overall total than what my computers add up too.
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Message 5462 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 12:36:28 UTC
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That is good news for you Ananas, but alas, I still have the same 13,500 credits less in my overall total than what my computers add up too.


Maybe Scott can Deduct 13,500 Credits from your Computers to Cheer you up Conan, he can always give the Credits to my Computers ... hahaha ... ;)
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Message 5463 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 12:44:25 UTC - in response to Message 5461.  
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Catching up : I\'m currently crunching 100% POEM@Home (there\'s a little race) and I don\'t have any pending credits at Cosmo but still I receive credits.

So I guess there are invisible pending credits and my total will sooner or later reach the cumulated credits of my computers.


That is good news for you Ananas, but alas, I still have the same 13,500 credits less in my overall total than what my computers add up too.



I don\'t have a project on my list over 50k credits where anything matches in totals...how many of your projects match up Conan?

As a matter of fact my overall stat totals at various stat sites are different as well and never agree....why waste a project admins time on trivial pursuit?
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Message 5467 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 13:36:12 UTC

@ Poorboy,
I don\'t think my 13,500 credits will do much for you as you can make this up in half a day, I would take quite a bit longer. Thanks for the offer but I would like to keep (get) them myself.

@ JRenkar,
To humour you I did check 9 (including Cosmology) of my projects over 50,000 credits and with more than 1 computer.
Of that nine I found 5 matched perfectly or within a point or two (Docking,Ralph,Rosetta,MilkyWay,CPDN), with 3 others (Seti,Einstein,QMC) under 1% variance. Cosmology with 13,500 point difference was around 5% difference when first noticed.
I consider the difference to be too great on this project to let slide as it affects reported data from this project in many ways.

If data is being passed through, manipulated or otherwise used in a computer server or servers, then that data needs to be correct to have any real meaning.
The computer servers that handle the data of this project (or any for that matter), don\'t handle our statistical data correctly then how can you believe any other data that they may handle?
There is a good chance that the data that we have processed so far could be flawed due to errors introduced in one of the servers.

Also I like to try and keep my statistics correct and up to date as much as possible for my own records and comparison with others, which is what competition is all about, without correct records then claims made by one person against others lose meaning.

I know the project people and particularly Scott, are very busy, but I would like this checked when they have some time.
I don\'t consider it trivial even if you JRenkar, may think so.

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Message 5468 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 14:05:47 UTC

@ Poorboy,
I don\'t think my 13,500 credits will do much for you as you can make this up in half a day, I would take quite a bit longer. Thanks for the offer but I would like to keep (get) them myself.


Dang ... ;)
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Message 5469 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 14:09:16 UTC

I can\'t see any reason why there should be any difference between the User totals and the sum of that user\'s Host totals on any single site (other than rounding of fractions); forget stats sites as they pull off summaries at different times.

Within the site, if the relational database is correctly configured, there should be only one list of credit values that is linked both to the User ID\'s and to the Host ID\'s. So, whichever way you look at it, you should be totalling the same data.

So how come it doesn\'t add up?

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