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Message 6055 - Posted: 7 May 2008, 14:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 6054.  
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My Kid Friendly, non obscene, none sexual explicit or suggestive post...

seriously when will i be able to fetch work when i want to? since weeks i have serious problems getting work from cosmo. Which directly affect my credits, i don\'t care how much we get, i just care that i can get work. I had a quadcore, dual core, and some more bits running dedicated on cosmo@home, now i had to divert my idle cpu time to other projects i\'m not even interested in.

Could you please make a statement on the announcement/front page when WU\'s will be issued as like 2 months ago, when i could download all the WU\'s i needed?

Sorry if this is already answered, but i\'m really unhappy, trying to do a good thing, but the good thing seems to have broken down, and i don\'t have the energy to browse through the forum.

I strongly hope that i can start crunching cosmo wu\'s soon again like before, just with 50% less credit, but that is not important. I just want to crunch crunch and crunch some more :)


G\'Day Evilslut82,
Whilst the question about getting work units has been posted in the wrong thread, the parts about credit were in the right thread.

The project will be taken down for most if not all of the 8th May in order to try and fix the problems with the database, this will then hopefully enable us all to get a more steady stream of work.

Credit is not too bad on this project at the moment even with the reduction in credit awarded when the lensing component was taken out.
It certainly is better than the 10 cr/h I get on Predictor and the 11 and 12 I get on Hydrogen, Spinhenge and Superlink under Linux.
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Message 6056 - Posted: 7 May 2008, 16:54:41 UTC - in response to Message 6054.  
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My Kid Friendly, non obscene, none sexual explicit or suggestive post...

seriously when will i be able to fetch work when i want to? since weeks i have serious problems getting work from cosmo. Which directly affect my credits, i don\'t care how much we get, i just care that i can get work. I had a quadcore, dual core, and some more bits running dedicated on cosmo@home, now i had to divert my idle cpu time to other projects i\'m not even interested in.

Could you please make a statement on the announcement/front page when WU\'s will be issued as like 2 months ago, when i could download all the WU\'s i needed?

Sorry if this is already answered, but i\'m really unhappy, trying to do a good thing, but the good thing seems to have broken down, and i don\'t have the energy to browse through the forum.

I strongly hope that i can start crunching cosmo wu\'s soon again like before, just with 50% less credit, but that is not important. I just want to crunch crunch and crunch some more :)


There is supposed to be some Server Work done tomorrow the 8\'th, hopefully things will improve after that work is done & Wu\'s will be more easily obtained than they are now ... :)

PS: Oop\'s, sorry Conan, I didn\'t see you posted that info already ... :)
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Message 6057 - Posted: 8 May 2008, 1:37:17 UTC - in response to Message 6056.  



There is supposed to be some Server Work done tomorrow the 8\'th, hopefully things will improve after that work is done & Wu\'s will be more easily obtained than they are now ... :)

PS: Oop\'s, sorry Conan, I didn\'t see you posted that info already ... :)


That\'s OK Poorboy,
I am sure you were probably trying to work out what to do with your computers that have run out of work.
Fear not, I am sure that after the server work you will be able to crack 100,000 RAC.


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Message 6512 - Posted: 14 Jul 2008, 17:04:35 UTC - in response to Message 6511.  

I have been experiencing the same problem. Unfortunately my second choice project (rieselsieve) has been offline for a while. :(

I suspect the root of the problem is a far greater number of participants than were expected. This is due to devaluation of processor time by seti. This caused a drop in seti participation. Rather than adjusting their credit up seti then exerted pressure on other projects to adjust their credit rates. As a result there are many users disappointed by prevailing credit rates who are running the few projects who have resisted the pressure. I wish more projects would do so and make it clear that participant processor time DOES have value and that value is NOT decided by seti.

I am absolutely disappointed with the completely inflated and out of proportion credits rates you get here. Wouldn\'t it be for some valuable science that I hope for I\'d be gone long since this giving credit for next to nothing started.

Credits here on this project should be divided by 4.

But the server issues should be solved before ;)
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Message 6535 - Posted: 15 Jul 2008, 6:32:24 UTC - in response to Message 6512.  

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Credits here on this project should be divided by 4.{/quote]

If you\'re looking for a project that pays more/less that what \"you\" think is fair, feel free to email me and I\'ll be more than happy to point you to the ones that really give low cobblestones. At that point, you should be very happy.
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Message 6537 - Posted: 15 Jul 2008, 8:38:29 UTC - in response to Message 6512.  
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I am absolutely disappointed with the completely inflated and out of proportion credits rates you get here. Wouldn\'t it be for some valuable science that I hope for I\'d be gone long since this giving credit for next to nothing started.

Credits here on this project should be divided by 4.

But the server issues should be solved before ;)


Seems to me that your disappointed with a many of the Projects Saenger since I see you popping up at a lot of them complaining about the Credits. Maybe you should just give up running the BOINC Projects since they put you in such a continual depressed state of mind.

Or you could take Philadelphia\'s advice & let him point you in the direction of a Project or Projects that would make you a much happier person in life. In fact I\'m sure that many of us being the helpful sort we all are would be more than glad to show you a Project or Projects with low credits that would fit nicely with your low standard of living so you won\'t be so highly disappointed all the time.

Hopefully that would get you started on your road to recovery from your Chronic State of Mental Depression & once your Rehabilitation was completed in 10 to 12 Years you could once again fit into Society & semi-function as a useful person instead of being your usual self & a big full-time disappointment to all those around you ... :)
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Message 6544 - Posted: 15 Jul 2008, 13:54:40 UTC - in response to Message 6537.  

I am absolutely disappointed with the completely inflated and out of proportion credits rates you get here. Wouldn\'t it be for some valuable science that I hope for I\'d be gone long since this giving credit for next to nothing started.

Credits here on this project should be divided by 4.

But the server issues should be solved before ;)


Seems to me that your disappointed with a many of the Projects Saenger since I see you popping up at a lot of them complaining about the Credits. Maybe you should just give up running the BOINC Projects since they put you in such a continual depressed state of mind.

Or you could take Philadelphia\'s advice & let him point you in the direction of a Project or Projects that would make you a much happier person in life. In fact I\'m sure that many of us being the helpful sort we all are would be more than glad to show you a Project or Projects with low credits that would fit nicely with your low standard of living so you won\'t be so highly disappointed all the time.

Hopefully that would get you started on your road to recovery from your Chronic State of Mental Depression & once your Rehabilitation was completed in 10 to 12 Years you could once again fit into Society & semi-function as a useful person instead of being your usual self & a big full-time disappointment to all those around you ... :)

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Message 6556 - Posted: 15 Jul 2008, 15:41:10 UTC - in response to Message 6537.  
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I am absolutely disappointed with the completely inflated and out of proportion credits rates you get here. Wouldn\'t it be for some valuable science that I hope for I\'d be gone long since this giving credit for next to nothing started.

Credits here on this project should be divided by 4.

But the server issues should be solved before ;)


Seems to me that your disappointed with a many of the Projects Saenger since I see you popping up at a lot of them complaining about the Credits. Maybe you should just give up running the BOINC Projects since they put you in such a continual depressed state of mind.

Or you could take Philadelphia\'s advice & let him point you in the direction of a Project or Projects that would make you a much happier person in life. In fact I\'m sure that many of us being the helpful sort we all are would be more than glad to show you a Project or Projects with low credits that would fit nicely with your low standard of living so you won\'t be so highly disappointed all the time.

Hopefully that would get you started on your road to recovery from your Chronic State of Mental Depression & once your Rehabilitation was completed in 10 to 12 Years you could once again fit into Society & semi-function as a useful person instead of being your usual self & a big full-time disappointment to all those around you ... :)

I\'m quite happy with my choice of projects, but of course they could be even better if a fair cross-BOINC credit system will be implemented.

Most of the projects run more or less smack in the middle, there are just some that seem to worth themselves so scientific unattractive that they give credits beyond reason (That\'s at least Cosmo and Milkyway, perhaps some of the more obscure as well), others that have such a great confidence in their worthiness that they give sub-standard credits (like WCG and LHC on my puter).

The range of credits per hour and core on my puter is from 10 to 110, my (cheatfree) bench value would be 25, I get about 30 on average from most of the projects. The real low end are some alpha projects, where such stuff is supposed to happen. That\'s the fun of being ATA ;)
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Message 6557 - Posted: 15 Jul 2008, 15:51:33 UTC

That\'s the fun of being ATA ;)


I\'m not even going there with those Initials other than to say they fit you well ... :)
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Message 6559 - Posted: 15 Jul 2008, 16:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 6556.  



...... but of course they could be even better if a fair cross-BOINC credit system will be implemented.



Why don\'t you go write a paper on it and get back with us on it.

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!!

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Message 6589 - Posted: 16 Jul 2008, 15:15:48 UTC

...... but of course they could be even better if a fair cross-BOINC credit system will be implemented.


This is a first, actually seeing somebody complaining about getting too much. Normally people don\'t worry about that so much.

I don\'t agree with a fair cross boinc credit system. I don\'t see the point of it, and i think it\'s up to the admins of the project to decide how much they want to hand out. And it\'s a great way to attract extra users to help on crunching.

And if something needs to be changed, then it should be the cheap ass projects to hand out more credits instead of cosmo less. It\'s already down at 50% since i first started. And Saenger even wants to have that divided by 4? Why don\'t you just get an extra computer to make up for your \'imagined\' losses.

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Message 6590 - Posted: 16 Jul 2008, 15:28:26 UTC

If you look at all the DC Projects (I\'m not talking about BOINC Projects but the DC Projects) theres a wide range of Credits given out (Some give 1 Credit while others give Hundreds of Credits) and I\'ve never seen 1 person complaining about too much or too little Credits.

I\'ve even run 1 of the DC Projects myself, it gave 1 Credit for each Wu like the old Seti Classic did, the Wu\'s lasted an hour or so but I didn\'t care. That 1 Credit was what everybody else was getting so it all came down to how fast you could Process the Wu\'s.

That\'s where BOINC got off on the wrong foot when it first started out with Seti@Home, they never should have given more than 1 Credit. It\'s been nothing but a headache ever since because a lot of people want more & more Credit. If the Credits where at 1 yet it would then just be a matter of preference on what Project you wanted to run.

Of course the Credit Whores would run the shorter WU Projects, thats a given, but I think most of the Projects would get their fair share of people to process their Wu\'s, The DC Projects seem to survive that way & a lot of people refuse to run the BOINC Projects because of all the Credit mess ... :)
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Message 6591 - Posted: 16 Jul 2008, 16:12:18 UTC

I\'m unsure how to respond to (and glad I don\'t have to) anyone who complains of too many credits here.

I have 6 projects.

LCH and Predictor are so light with work that I couldn\'t tell if the credits are high or low, so they\'re out of my reckoning.

When Einstein and SETI are running, and I suspend the next two, my stats go up.

When I run Milkyway and Cosmology, my stats go down.

I use the stats to see how my computer compares to others. It\'s not a high-powered machine; just middle of the road and over a year old, so at this point, I\'m holding my own.

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Message 6595 - Posted: 16 Jul 2008, 21:56:29 UTC - in response to Message 6590.  


Of course the Credit Whores would run the shorter WU Projects, thats a given, but I think most of the Projects would get their fair share of people to process their Wu\'s, The DC Projects seem to survive that way & a lot of people refuse to run the BOINC Projects because of all the Credit mess ... :)


Someone, somewhere, mentioned that people should just give up on the idea of BOINC-wide credit / standings and just focus on the individual project standings. I tend to agree with that, given all the various machinations that projects have gone through to try to \"level the playing field\" on their own by going to some target of a mythical \"reference\" computer. Without cooperation across the board from get-go, it really is too late now, unless current credit values are frozen and referenced like \"SETI Classic\", then everyone starts out with a new system from zero.

I also remember something about a system that is in use that does a BOINC-wide ranking based on the rank amongst all the projects, not the total credits. Of course, I could be needing another Mt. Dew.... :shrug:

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Message 6598 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 9:21:03 UTC

Credit does need to be reduced at this project, the only project that is more out of whach is rieselseive. Divided by 4 may be too much though, dividing by 3 would probably be closer to the average as reported by BOINCstats.
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Message 6599 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 10:56:49 UTC - in response to Message 6598.  

Credit does need to be reduced at this project, the only project that is more out of whach is rieselseive. Divided by 4 may be too much though, dividing by 3 would probably be closer to the average as reported by BOINCstats.


OK. Here\'s something to ask yourself:

Why?

Your first reaction will be \"because it needs to be fair across projects or else the projects that offer more will get more participants because they offer more\".

Really?

Why then are there only a total of 7,200(ish) users attached to this project? Why are people not flocking in droves here?

Don\'t get me wrong. I understand the whole \"fairness\" argument and actually agree with that, but as I said in my previous post, it\'s too late for all that unless you want to freeze the existing stats, keep them around as a reference like \"SETI Classic\", and start everyone from zero. That will only work though with 100% spot-on compliance across the board from all projects.

Until a real and substantive \"equal credit\" algorithm / process is in place across all projects, all this whining about credit needing to be reduced is really quite silly...

IMO, YMMV, etc, etc, etc...

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Message 6600 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 11:26:53 UTC
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Why then are there only a total of 7,200(ish) users attached to this project? Why are people not flocking in droves here?


Very good argument Brian and it shoots down any reason for really needing Cross Project Project Parity other than D.A.\'s Appointed Crusaders wanting it their way.
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Message 6601 - Posted: 17 Jul 2008, 11:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 6600.  

Why then are there only a total of 7,200(ish) users attached to this project? Why are people not flocking in droves here?


Very good argument Brian and it shoots down any reason for really needing Cross Project Project Parity other than D.A.\'s Appointed Crusaders wanting it their way.


I had about 9 hours of sleep last night :)

I have to go to work... I have another thought on this that I\'ll share later...
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Message 6732 - Posted: 24 Jul 2008, 20:56:32 UTC

Hello,
now my first \'long\' WU\'s are finished and they took about 3 to 5 hours of CPU time per WU. Thats an increase to the \'short\' WU\'s on my machine of about 400% to 600%. On the other hand the credit for these WU\'s is now 70. That\'s an increase of 40%. I think, that\'s definitely too low. With this CPU-load it should be at least at 150 (according to the shorter WU\'s even more) credits i guess...

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Message 6734 - Posted: 24 Jul 2008, 21:28:08 UTC

Thanks for the update, Scott. I\'m sure the situation will normalize in a couple of days.

However, you haven\'t adressed the credit issue yet. The few 2.14s I have completed so far take 300%+ longer, yet I only receive 40% more credits. This large change will make a lot of people stop crunching, especially the credithounds wich quite often happen to have moderate or big farms.

Personally I don\'t think the credit should be increased linearly, but if you want to retain the crunching crowds I\'d consider at least another 200% / 100 credits.

Makes me think, credit sure is a means of crowd control for any BOINC project...

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