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Message 2130 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 6:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 2129.  


This would account for pending where one is waiting for his wing man to return. However, the problem I *think* this thread is about, is where there is no wing man yet, because the second result hasn't been issued, or re-issued yet.


I have some WUs that fall into that category as well. I am hoping that Scott's new directives to the server (giving a higher priority to older WUs) will help.
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Message 2131 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 10:25:17 UTC
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This would account for pending where one is waiting for his wing man to return. However, the problem I *think* this thread is about, is where there is no wing man yet, because the second result hasn't been issued, or re-issued yet.


Your right Zombie67, but I was just bring up the Pending Wu's in General, out of the 265 Pending Wu's that I have mine are about 50/50. Some are waiting for the Wingman to finish the Wu & some just haven't been resent again.

My Pending Credits actually went down a little from yesterday, the 1'st time it's gone down from the previous day after 6 or 7 days of steadily rising. So maybe things are or will start to turn around a little now that we've had a few day's to settle down from the URL Change & other things ... :)
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Message 2132 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 11:07:58 UTC

I noticed the French reduction. In fact many of my pending WUs had been sent to their team members. Any idea why they jumped ship?


The French Team is a very Strong Team and they are involved in a lot of the other BOINC Projects if not all of them. I guess they did what they wanted to do here and moved on, but they more than likely will be back in full force some where down the road I suspect ...

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Message 2133 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 14:36:19 UTC - in response to Message 2132.  

I noticed the French reduction. In fact many of my pending WUs had been sent to their team members. Any idea why they jumped ship?


The French Team is a very Strong Team and they are involved in a lot of the other BOINC Projects if not all of them. I guess they did what they wanted to do here and moved on, but they more than likely will be back in full force some where down the road I suspect ...


I know how strong they are as a team. I was just wondering if they had called the on the troops to make a big push at another project (I would check their web site but I do not speak french)

And to help keep this post on topic, My pending credit is actually getting longer. But I will keep watching, espicially the WUs that have only been sent to me and no one else.
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Message 2134 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 14:49:28 UTC

I see 25 Pending on 1 of your PC's & 12 on the other, thats not really a big amount. My PC's have an average of 34-35 each Pending. It kinda looks like you had the misfortune of pairing up with Host # 1715-1737-1739 & 1751 on the PC with 25 Pending. I Suspect those Host are either the same Host or a Group of Host belonging to the same Person.

For some reason those 4 Host's # had an unusually large number of Download error's, I get 1 every now and then but nothing like those 4 Hosts have ... Weird
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Message 2135 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 15:05:00 UTC
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It looks like Scott's "tweak" to the scheduler is working.
298 pending= 200 in progress, 58 not sent initially, 40 not re-sent after errors.
It looks like things are catching up, these numbers are much better than previous.
PS- Saw lots of "download failures" while looking, but that is a different issue for a different thread.


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Message 2136 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 17:36:35 UTC - in response to Message 2133.  
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I noticed the French reduction. In fact many of my pending WUs had been sent to their team members. Any idea why they jumped ship?


The French Team is a very Strong Team and they are involved in a lot of the other BOINC Projects if not all of them. I guess they did what they wanted to do here and moved on, but they more than likely will be back in full force some where down the road I suspect ...


I know how strong they are as a team. I was just wondering if they had called the on the troops to make a big push at another project


Hehe, not yet ;)

Indeed (same as BoincSynergy, BTW) we are present on a lot of projects, and lately we love that SIMAP bunch of WUs - maybe it's because of this we're dropping... maybe because of the hottie summer :)
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Message 2137 - Posted: 19 Aug 2007, 19:15:01 UTC - in response to Message 2134.  

I see 25 Pending on 1 of your PC's & 12 on the other, thats not really a big amount. My PC's have an average of 34-35 each Pending. It kinda looks like you had the misfortune of pairing up with Host # 1715-1737-1739 & 1751 on the PC with 25 Pending. I Suspect those Host are either the same Host or a Group of Host belonging to the same Person.

For some reason those 4 Host's # had an unusually large number of Download error's, I get 1 every now and then but nothing like those 4 Hosts have ... Weird

For me it has been a large amount of pending. Two weeks ago I would have maybe 1 or 2 pending WUs. Anyway I know I got zapped by several of the same people who have d/l errors.
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Message 2146 - Posted: 20 Aug 2007, 21:46:40 UTC - in response to Message 2135.  
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It looks like Scott's "tweak" to the scheduler is working.

I think it does not work. Look: A simple Homogeneous-Redundancy-Test:
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Message 2147 - Posted: 20 Aug 2007, 23:00:14 UTC
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Right now my pending queue is still getting longer. So I may have spoken too soon. I am having a hard time tracking if they are completed. In either case my pending is getting longer.
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Message 2150 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 3:45:58 UTC - in response to Message 2147.  

Right now my pending queue is still getting longer. So I may have spoken too soon. I am having a hard time tracking if they are completed. In either case my pending is getting longer.

As of right now I have 32 WUs that have not been sent to anyone else. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason since it is happening to both my AMD and Intel machines. I have 15 other WUs that had the misfortune of pairing up with several other hosts that had d/l errors. I only have about 5 or so that are actually paired up with someone who might even complete them. Plus a few others that had been paired up with someone but they detached or didn't finish in time. In all about 55 WUs just waiting.
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Message 2154 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 11:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 2150.  

my pending has almost reached 10.000 credits claimed now.

I vote for no new workunits to be generated by Scott until all current workunits are at least sent out.

I know that some pending is regular, but I have way more pending at cosmo with old wus still unsent than with any other project I've participated so far.

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Message 2155 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 13:02:59 UTC - in response to Message 2154.  

I vote for no new workunits to be generated by Scott until all current workunits are at least sent out.

Sounds like a very reasonable suggestion to me!

It is indeed frustrating to have so many pending units, with no end in sight!

There must be something that needs adjusting with the scheduler. No other project that I have worked on has this issue, so it must be something that needs a special "fix".
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Message 2156 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 14:00:14 UTC
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I'm up to 362 WU's pending (9525 credits). It looks like I gaining about 80/day now.
It looks like my Xeon/Linux machine is the one having the most problems. My Pentium M is also having problems running Linux or Windows (but that is really not to much of a surprise, as there aren't that many laptops running this project).

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Message 2157 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 14:10:07 UTC
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I like this limiting idea. This is my first post here, occasioned by my finding, as of 8:00 this morning, that of my 198 finished WU's, 98 are "pending". Some have been in this state for several days. This is not so good.

Not sure I understand "wingpersons" and other niceties of homo-whatever redundant stuff, but it looks like the ball is being dropped. My laptop, with an AMD Turion X64 times 2 has sent in 24 results since I attached it yesterday, with credit on one WU. I am cultivating patience.

Yes :D I do understand about New Projects. (That's why I have only 5 boxen on it.) Our mission here is to point out those things that aren't going to fly in a production environment, yes? In production, this behavior will have crunchers voting with their feet.
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Message 2158 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 14:31:16 UTC - in response to Message 2157.  

I like this limiting idea. This is my first post here, occasioned by my finding, as of 8:00 this morning, that of my 198 finished WU's, 98 are "pending". Some have been in this state for several days. This is not so good.

Not sure I understand "wingpersons" and other niceties of homo-whatever redundant stuff, but it looks like the ball is being dropped. My laptop, with an AMD Turion X64 times 2 has sent in 24 results since I attached it yesterday, with credit on one WU. I am cultivating patience.

Yes :D I do understand about New Projects. (That's why I have only 5 boxen on it.) Our mission here is to point out those things that aren't going to fly in a production environment, yes? In production, this behavior will have crunchers voting with their feet.


If I understand "wingpersons" right, it would mean the following:

you have one machine that crunches away as much as possible... you get mostly pending credits. you check on the wu's and find that it's almost always the same host someone else owns who's not yet returned his wus.
so once your "wingman" returns his wus, you get all your credit at once.
I've seen that happen to many of my (mostly identical) hosts as well...
once the last host flushes, the other hosts get credit.... oh well.

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Message 2159 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 14:52:26 UTC
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It might be a good idea to look how old the WU with pending credit are. Ohiomike, if I have looked at the right machine, then it seems that most pending WU are returned by you after 18 august. Which is just 3 days ago. (EDIT: I had a closer look and it does seem there are much older ones as well that are not yet generated a second time)

I think a better solution than to stop WU production might be that those with large pending credit put the project on low resource share for a while. That way other machines in the same class get the opportunity to pick up the paired WU that are unsent or even not yet generated.

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Message 2160 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 15:00:37 UTC - in response to Message 2159.  

I think a better solution than to stop WU production might be that those with large pending credit put the project on low resource share for a while. That way other machines in the same class get the opportunity to pick up the paired WU that are unsent or even not yet generated.

That's what I did. But of course that will minimize processing of brand new work units, but that is better I guess than not producing them at all!

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Message 2161 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 16:57:04 UTC - in response to Message 2160.  
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I think a better solution than to stop WU production might be that those with large pending credit put the project on low resource share for a while. That way other machines in the same class get the opportunity to pick up the paired WU that are unsent or even not yet generated.

That's what I did. But of course that will minimize processing of brand new work units, but that is better I guess than not producing them at all!


But... but... but...
If you follow that thinking to its logical conclusion, we'll all just die on the vine because no one will be processing anyone else's WU's. Am I missing something? I see no option that says, "Just process WU's that have already been sent to someone else." ???
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Message 2162 - Posted: 21 Aug 2007, 20:53:38 UTC - in response to Message 2146.  
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No success for Host 193 today.

What works? Every of my manually aborted WUs immediately passed on to another host. That works.

Now, some of this resent WUs are


Let's find the jumpers of this crazy scheduler


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