Advanced search

Forums : General Topics : Poll: Do you think you're getting enough credits?
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3

AuthorMessage
Profile Scott
Volunteer moderator
Project administrator
Project developer
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 1 Apr 07
Posts: 662
Credit: 13,742
RAC: 0
Message 3037 - Posted: 1 Oct 2007, 20:34:01 UTC - in response to Message 3033.  
Last modified: 1 Oct 2007, 20:34:35 UTC

Lets be honest with ourselves. We are in it for the credit (I know I am.) My CPU are not particularly fast (none over or underclocked). I suppose it makes up for all the other projects where my computers only get a fraction of the credit to what they have claimed. I am sure that if the credit system changes to drastically, you will see many users stop crunching.

I think that this is unfortunate. Credit is fleeting, but scientific accomplishment is forever.

So long as everybody keeps crunching, though, we'll keep the credits flowing.
Scott Kruger
Project Administrator, Cosmology@Home
ID: 3037 · Report as offensive
Dagorath

Send message
Joined: 24 Aug 07
Posts: 9
Credit: 35,300
RAC: 0
Message 3044 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 2:08:36 UTC - in response to Message 3037.  

Lets be honest with ourselves. We are in it for the credit (I know I am.) My CPU are not particularly fast (none over or underclocked). I suppose it makes up for all the other projects where my computers only get a fraction of the credit to what they have claimed. I am sure that if the credit system changes to drastically, you will see many users stop crunching.

I think that this is unfortunate. Credit is fleeting, but scientific accomplishment is forever.

So long as everybody keeps crunching, though, we'll keep the credits flowing.


I disagree with mscharmack on both points. Most of us are in it because we want to contribute to the science. You might see a few protesters quit Cosmology if you decrease the credits but you'll recoup that loss quickly. Over the long run you'll see the user base and contributed CPU cycles increase continually as long as the credit payout isn't significantly lower than the average.

Get the project stable (referring to the problems with HR and pending credits) and get it on this list and you'll see the user base grow every day.

ID: 3044 · Report as offensive
Profile Angus

Send message
Joined: 28 Jul 07
Posts: 71
Credit: 31,250
RAC: 0
Message 3046 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 2:43:01 UTC - in response to Message 3044.  


I disagree with mscharmack on both points. Most of us are in it because we want to contribute to the science. You might see a few protesters quit Cosmology if you decrease the credits but you'll recoup that loss quickly. Over the long run you'll see the user base and contributed CPU cycles increase continually as long as the credit payout isn't significantly lower than the average.

Get the project stable (referring to the problems with HR and pending credits) and get it on this list and you'll see the user base grow every day.



You must be new to DC if you think most users are in it for the science, and not the credit.

I'll restate my standard challenge: Try to start a new BOINC (or any DC project) with NO credit awarded, and see how many users you can get.
ID: 3046 · Report as offensive
Profile [B^S] Acmefrog
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 8 Jun 07
Posts: 175
Credit: 446,074
RAC: 0
Message 3047 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 4:16:20 UTC

I do it because it interests me and I have fun doing it. Credits are fine. I'm not overly concerned with them. Maybe, without credits, a project might have less people involved but they may be more dedicated to the goal of the project. I appreciate the level of communication between the project and the crunchers. So as long as there is the communication, the amount of credits doesn't concern me (that much) but I do like to see some kind of tallying my work. (I didn't say that I didn't care about credit).
ID: 3047 · Report as offensive
Profile GalaxyIce

Send message
Joined: 25 Sep 07
Posts: 26
Credit: 312,870
RAC: 0
Message 3057 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 18:05:03 UTC

Credits for what? I've just tried to trawl through this site to remind me what this project is all about, and yet again this is another project where this basic info is hidden or not easily found.

It's OK, I went to the Team England forum to read what I put there about this project.

Hey, if no one tells you, how are you going to know?

ID: 3057 · Report as offensive
Nvgnte
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 24 Jun 07
Posts: 49
Credit: 1,024,572
RAC: 2,064
Message 3058 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 18:15:00 UTC
Last modified: 2 Oct 2007, 18:16:40 UTC

@angus
I'm sure ppl who joined the project on the first month (ATAs and some fortunate guys as myself) didn't do it for credit, m8 - at that time credit was indeed *lower* than boinc average (even half on some platforms) :roll:

I believe this project is interesting enough to be crunched for science also... and think about what Scott just said - the credit you earned here (or anywhere else) won't last forever, but the results our computers achieve will serve to cosmology science, maybe proving some theories, maybe creating new unansered questions

Think about this... if ppl want credit, they buy some Quad-core, some PS3 (or borrow them to friends) and in a couple of months they stand on top-5000 - and then... what? they keep on crunching just for staying there, *bored* as they are not attracted by the science they're doing, looking their position everyday on charts...? and in two years? in five?

Nah, credits are fun, also... but if ppl are not attracted for anything more than simple positions in a chart, I bet they will soon bored and through all this stuff away
La Tierra de un Dios que no supo aceptar / su falso derecho a la libertad - Tierra Santa
Descárgate mi primer eBook Amaneceres
ID: 3058 · Report as offensive
Dagorath

Send message
Joined: 24 Aug 07
Posts: 9
Credit: 35,300
RAC: 0
Message 3065 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 0:52:40 UTC - in response to Message 3046.  

[quote]
I disagree with mscharmack on both points. Most of us are in it because we want to contribute to the science. You might see a few protesters quit Cosmology if you decrease the credits but you'll recoup that loss quickly. Over the long run you'll see the user base and contributed CPU cycles increase continually as long as the credit payout isn't significantly lower than the average.

Get the project stable (referring to the problems with HR and pending credits) and get it on this list and you'll see the user base grow every day.



You must be new to DC if you think most users are in it for the science, and not the credit.


Lolol, I think it's the other way around, son, but thanks for your opinion and specious argument anyway.

I'll restate my standard challenge: Try to start a new BOINC (or any DC project) with NO credit awarded, and see how many users you can get.


You obviously wouldn't crunch such a project, caught up in false notions of value as you are, but if it were a novel and worthwhile project (i.e. not just another protein folding project but something new, different and important to the future of humanity) I believe it would attract many thousands. There really are charitable people in the world who give and expect nothing in return.

ID: 3065 · Report as offensive
Profile Jayargh
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Jun 07
Posts: 508
Credit: 2,282,158
RAC: 0
Message 3066 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 1:03:17 UTC - in response to Message 3065.  
Last modified: 3 Oct 2007, 1:03:39 UTC


You must be new to DC if you think most users are in it for the science, and not the credit.






Here is a link to a poll that was done a while back by Boincstats with the question being "Why do you participate in Boinc?"
ID: 3066 · Report as offensive
Profile Angus

Send message
Joined: 28 Jul 07
Posts: 71
Credit: 31,250
RAC: 0
Message 3067 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 2:01:08 UTC - in response to Message 3066.  


You must be new to DC if you think most users are in it for the science, and not the credit.






Here is a link to a poll that was done a while back by Boincstats with the question being "Why do you participate in Boinc?"


Where's the link?

ID: 3067 · Report as offensive
Profile gravitysmith

Send message
Joined: 24 Jun 07
Posts: 2
Credit: 330,217
RAC: 0
Message 3068 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 4:00:48 UTC - in response to Message 3067.  


You must be new to DC if you think most users are in it for the science, and not the credit.


Personally I am in it for both! The science attracts me to a particular project, and the credits keep me motivated after the initial new-ness wears off. My resource share is set largely by science but also partly by credits. I would venture to guess that there is a whole spectrum of users who stay with DC for both reasons, and the only thing that differs is the percentage weight given to credits vs science.

gravitysmith
ID: 3068 · Report as offensive
Profile GalaxyIce

Send message
Joined: 25 Sep 07
Posts: 26
Credit: 312,870
RAC: 0
Message 3069 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 7:15:29 UTC - in response to Message 3066.  


You must be new to DC if you think most users are in it for the science, and not the credit.



Here is a link to a poll that was done a while back by Boincstats with the question being "Why do you participate in Boinc?"

It's interesting that teams are not mentioned. Where I crunch and the credits I am looking for is hugely determined by what I am trying to achieve with my team, and what others are doing in terms of securing credit for the team I'm in. For example, I only started crunching here because a team mate did. I'll probably stop, crunching elsewhere, if my team mates stop.

ID: 3069 · Report as offensive
Profile [BAT] tutta55
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 7 Jun 07
Posts: 217
Credit: 710,406
RAC: 0
Message 3070 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 8:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 3067.  

Where's the link?


@Angus: The link is in the fourth word ("link"). Just click on that ;)


At the risk of letting this thread spin further off-topic, I think it might be worth reconsidering the use and purpose of combined Boinc statistics. I know there are many people who absolutely no longer see any value in these, given the excesses that have taken place in a few projects. Dropping combined statistics would give every project the freedom to do what they want. Individual and team competition can still play within the project itself. But of course this forum is not the right place to decide that.
ID: 3070 · Report as offensive
Profile Angus

Send message
Joined: 28 Jul 07
Posts: 71
Credit: 31,250
RAC: 0
Message 3081 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 14:33:36 UTC - in response to Message 3070.  

Where's the link?


@Angus: The link is in the fourth word ("link"). Just click on that ;)


Arrgh. Another annoyance with this new web format - the links don't have enough contrast. It looked just like the words around it, and that's on a large LCD monitor.

At the risk of letting this thread spin further off-topic, I think it might be worth reconsidering the use and purpose of combined Boinc statistics. I know there are many people who absolutely no longer see any value in these, given the excesses that have taken place in a few projects. Dropping combined statistics would give every project the freedom to do what they want. Individual and team competition can still play within the project itself. But of course this forum is not the right place to decide that.


I agree! Cross-project stats parity in BOINC is unattainable, and projects should stop wasting time and effort chasing it.

ID: 3081 · Report as offensive
Profile speedimic
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Sep 07
Posts: 89
Credit: 2,201,260
RAC: 0
Message 3086 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 17:41:14 UTC
Last modified: 3 Oct 2007, 17:41:38 UTC

I agree! Cross-project stats parity in BOINC is unattainable, and projects should stop wasting time and effort chasing it.



Whow..
If we're not yet able to fully reach a goal - let's dump the whole thing!


You can't stop people from competing with each other, it's human nature!
Giving out credits and beeing able to compare with others is a main part of the whole BOINC thing. How many will still do the crunching if no credits are granted? 40%? 50%?
If every project has it's own credit system, many will go to the project paying the most credits - that can't be good for science.

mic.


ID: 3086 · Report as offensive
Profile Jayargh
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Jun 07
Posts: 508
Credit: 2,282,158
RAC: 0
Message 3091 - Posted: 4 Oct 2007, 0:46:36 UTC

This thread is getting way off topic.The issue of Boinc credit system is not the topic or an appropriate conversation for this forum so lets please stay on topic.Thanks
ID: 3091 · Report as offensive
Profile Angus

Send message
Joined: 28 Jul 07
Posts: 71
Credit: 31,250
RAC: 0
Message 3092 - Posted: 4 Oct 2007, 2:04:16 UTC - in response to Message 3086.  

I agree! Cross-project stats parity in BOINC is unattainable, and projects should stop wasting time and effort chasing it.



Whow..
If we're not yet able to fully reach a goal - let's dump the whole thing!


You can't stop people from competing with each other, it's human nature!
Giving out credits and beeing able to compare with others is a main part of the whole BOINC thing. How many will still do the crunching if no credits are granted? 40%? 50%?
If every project has it's own credit system, many will go to the project paying the most credits - that can't be good for science.


According to the other pundits here, people crunch because of the science, not the credits.

You can't have it both ways.

Competition is good, and drives participation. However, before BOINC, we all had great fun competing WITHIN projects, and not across every conceivable DC project. It's utter nonsense to try to do so with such disparate projects and apps.
ID: 3092 · Report as offensive
Profile Jayargh
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Jun 07
Posts: 508
Credit: 2,282,158
RAC: 0
Message 3093 - Posted: 4 Oct 2007, 2:13:35 UTC
Last modified: 4 Oct 2007, 2:14:46 UTC

Locked thread because the last 25 posts have nothing to do with the topic and I am starting to see temperatures rise.
ID: 3093 · Report as offensive
Previous · 1 · 2 · 3

Forums : General Topics : Poll: Do you think you're getting enough credits?