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Message 1658 - Posted 30 Jul 2007 13:04:19 UTC

    I have what seems to me a lot of Pending credits on one of my machines because the work unit remains "Unsent" and so cannot achieve the minimum quorum necessary. And these units have remained "Unsent" for quite awhile!

    Here are some examples:

    319897
    319961
    322143
    328067
    327754

    Thanks!
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    Message 1659 - Posted 30 Jul 2007 14:36:58 UTC

      May I try to answer? Cosmology doesnt have that many users - 393 atm, many of them havent downloaded any of the available results/wu's...

      So the answer might be simple: Because of low demand, the second result hasnt been sent yet.

      Okay, its just a guess, but I'm sure a project official will answer if I'm wrong here!

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      Message 1660 - Posted 30 Jul 2007 14:53:23 UTC - in response to Message 1659.

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        May I try to answer? Cosmology doesnt have that many users - 393 atm, many of them havent downloaded any of the available results/wu's...

        So the answer might be simple: Because of low demand, the second result hasnt been sent yet.

        Okay, its just a guess, but I'm sure a project official will answer if I'm wrong here!

        Best regards, Steffen (aka Shai) :)


        I would be very happy if that were the answer! :) Thank you, and let's hope it is true!
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        Message 1661 - Posted 30 Jul 2007 15:40:15 UTC

          I think there is some problem with HR that is causing this. I've been seeing some results like that for some time. Recently, I set some of the oldest pending results to a higher priority than the others so that they'd be completed first, but the scheduler doesn't seem to want to give those results out. I've posted in the boinc_projects mailing list to see if anyone can give me any insight.
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          Message 1662 - Posted 30 Jul 2007 15:42:06 UTC - in response to Message 1659.

            May I try to answer? Cosmology doesnt have that many users - 393 atm, many of them havent downloaded any of the available results/wu's...

            So the answer might be simple: Because of low demand, the second result hasnt been sent yet.

            Okay, its just a guess, but I'm sure a project official will answer if I'm wrong here!

            Best regards, Steffen (aka Shai) :)


            That could be part of the problem but it does seem strange that the WU's haven't been sent yet. I did some checking on the WU's that I've received recently and it seems like their sent out quite randomly or not.

            Some of the WU's I have gotten have been Created as recently as today, and some of them are dated the 21'st of July, so eventually those WU's will probably be sent out again in due time ... :)

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            Message 1665 - Posted 30 Jul 2007 15:58:36 UTC - in response to Message 1661.

              ...I've posted in the boinc_projects mailing list to see if anyone can give me any insight.


              Thanks! And it is always nice to know we can consistently count on you to respond quickly to our posts regarding problems! :) I knew as soon as you "got into the office" this morning I would get a response! What else can be said other than that you are the best!
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              Message 1674 - Posted 31 Jul 2007 13:09:29 UTC - in response to Message 1658.

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                I have what seems to me a lot of Pending credits on one of my machines because the work unit remains "Unsent" and so cannot achieve the minimum quorum necessary. And these units have remained "Unsent" for quite awhile!

                Here are some examples:

                319897
                319961
                322143
                328067
                327754

                Thanks!


                Oddly enough, the results from my other computer working on the project show none of the same problem. The "Unsent" work units problem seems limited to this on machine. That seems odd to me, but there you have it!
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                Message 1675 - Posted 31 Jul 2007 14:42:21 UTC - in response to Message 1674.

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                  ...Oddly enough, the results from my other computer working on the project show none of the same problem. The "Unsent" work units problem seems limited to this on machine. That seems odd to me, but there you have it!


                  Hopefully these "Pending" "Unsent" units are helpful? If not, or if you already have enough data to diagnose the problem/issue, it might be prudent for me to detach that one machine from the project until things are straightened out? Thanks!

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                  Message 1677 - Posted 31 Jul 2007 20:20:00 UTC - in response to Message 1674.

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                    I have what seems to me a lot of Pending credits on one of my machines because the work unit remains "Unsent" and so cannot achieve the minimum quorum necessary. And these units have remained "Unsent" for quite awhile!

                    Here are some examples:

                    319897
                    319961
                    322143
                    328067
                    327754

                    Thanks!


                    Oddly enough, the results from my other computer working on the project show none of the same problem. The "Unsent" work units problem seems limited to this on machine. That seems odd to me, but there you have it!


                    Further research shows that my AMD Athelon units that are successfully validated are only sent to other similar AMD Athelon computers! It appears you are sending units to be validated only on the same type of processor that the first unit is sent out to.

                    Thus, perhaps there are just a lack of AMD Athelon machines signed up for Cosmology@Home on which my units may be sent to be validated, and thus my completed units are sitting "Unsent" on your server!

                    Is there any practical solution to this so that these units are useful to you? The apparent lack of other AMD Athelon processors signed up for this project seems to be a problem (at least for me in obtaining credit, but more importantly for generating validated results for you!).

                    Thanks!

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                    Message 1678 - Posted 31 Jul 2007 20:39:11 UTC - in response to Message 1677.

                      Similar problem here. A Linux computer. All large WUs since 20070724 are "pending" and "unsent".
                      With the Windows computer is all ok.
                      The Linux computer has now an unsent WU mixing from CAMB 1.24 and CAMB 1.25
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                      Message 1681 - Posted 31 Jul 2007 23:07:05 UTC

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                        I would think that a WU running on an Athlon and an Athlon xxxx+ should produce similar results. Or is the code "smart" enough to use different instructions if available? There are a lot of AMD 3800+ to 6000+ CPUs out there.

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                        Message 1682 - Posted 31 Jul 2007 23:09:23 UTC - in response to Message 1678.

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                          Similar problem here. A Linux computer. All large WUs since 20070724 are "pending" and "unsent".
                          With the Windows computer is all ok.
                          The Linux computer has now an unsent WU mixing from CAMB 1.24 and CAMB 1.25

                          The Linux Pentium M (laptop) I could see being a problem. Up until recently it was a major piece of work to get Linux to run on most laptops.
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                          Message 1683 - Posted 31 Jul 2007 23:59:41 UTC - in response to Message 1677.

                            I have what seems to me a lot of Pending credits on one of my machines because the work unit remains "Unsent" and so cannot achieve the minimum quorum necessary. And these units have remained "Unsent" for quite awhile!

                            Here are some examples:

                            319897
                            319961
                            322143
                            328067
                            327754

                            Thanks!


                            Oddly enough, the results from my other computer working on the project show none of the same problem. The "Unsent" work units problem seems limited to this on machine. That seems odd to me, but there you have it!


                            Further research shows that my AMD Athelon units that are successfully validated are only sent to other similar AMD Athelon computers! It appears you are sending units to be validated only on the same type of processor that the first unit is sent out to.

                            Thus, perhaps there are just a lack of AMD Athelon machines signed up for Cosmology@Home on which my units may be sent to be validated, and thus my completed units are sitting "Unsent" on your server!

                            Is there any practical solution to this so that these units are useful to you? The apparent lack of other AMD Athelon processors signed up for this project seems to be a problem (at least for me in obtaining credit, but more importantly for generating validated results for you!).

                            Thanks!

                            And to add to this, I guess the core issue is that the oldest work units are not preferentially sent back out first to enable validation. Thus, the project will not get the older units validated for quite some time, which of course is not in the best interest of the project I would imagine?

                            And that agrees with your earlier post here that "the scheduler doesn't seem to want to give those results out." So hopefully a solution is forthcoming, that is the purpose of these beta tests isn't it? :)
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                            Message 1699 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 18:44:43 UTC - in response to Message 1692.

                              ...Any more would make it harder for me to figure out the problems with HR that we're currently experiencing.


                              Would I be safe in assuming that this problem includes the "Unsent" issue with the second set of work units which prevents validation of my AMD Athelon processor results? Thanks! :)

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                              Message 1700 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 19:25:53 UTC - in response to Message 1699.

                                ...Any more would make it harder for me to figure out the problems with HR that we're currently experiencing.


                                Would I be safe in assuming that this problem includes the "Unsent" issue with the second set of work units which prevents validation of my AMD Athelon processor results? Thanks! :)

                                As far as I know, any Unsent would only be an issue with HR if an equal CPU/OS system can't be found for those results. Of course, strictly spoken there are no AMD Athelons, they have always been Athlons, but um, you get my drift.

                                Unsent only means they haven't been sent out to another system yet. In due time they will be.
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                                Message 1701 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 19:41:55 UTC - in response to Message 1700.

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                                  ... Of course, strictly spoken there are no AMD Athelons, they have always been Athlons, but um, you get my drift.


                                  Thanks for the correction! :)

                                  Unsent only means they haven't been sent out to another system yet. In due time they will be.


                                  Units like this one
                                  and this one are older than a week and show no indication of being sent out for validation, so that is the issue, not whether there are other systems available to work on them (because a few newer units have been sent and validated!).

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                                  Message 1702 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 19:53:01 UTC - in response to Message 1701.

                                    Units like this one
                                    and this one are older than a week and show no indication of being sent out for validation, so that is the issue, not whether there are other systems available to work on them (because a few newer units have been sent and validated!).

                                    It's possible you have the only Athlon with Windows available. The thing with HR is, that such a result won't be sent to an Athlon running another OS, unless Scott allows that. And depending on how strict he set up the HR, they won't be sent to another AMD either.

                                    Perhaps that he can allow the results to be resent to your Athlon. It's been done on other projects.
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                                    Message 1703 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 20:11:49 UTC - in response to Message 1702.

                                      Units like this one
                                      and this one are older than a week and show no indication of being sent out for validation, so that is the issue, not whether there are other systems available to work on them (because a few newer units have been sent and validated!).

                                      It's possible you have the only Athlon with Windows available. The thing with HR is, that such a result won't be sent to an Athlon running another OS, unless Scott allows that. And depending on how strict he set up the HR, they won't be sent to another AMD either.

                                      Perhaps that he can allow the results to be resent to your Athlon. It's been done on other projects.


                                      Thanks for the suggestion, that would work for me!

                                      Scott, what do you think? :)

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                                      Message 1704 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 21:52:46 UTC - in response to Message 1703.

                                        It's possible you have the only Athlon with Windows available. The thing with HR is, that such a result won't be sent to an Athlon running another OS, unless Scott allows that. And depending on how strict he set up the HR, they won't be sent to another AMD either.

                                        Perhaps that he can allow the results to be resent to your Athlon. It's been done on other projects.


                                        Thanks for the suggestion, that would work for me!

                                        Scott, what do you think? :)

                                        Well, actually, I just changed the HR class on all Athlons to be equivalent to Athlon XPs. I'm not sure why that didn't occur to me before.

                                        I think the whole problem started when there was a lack of plain Athlon hosts. When I changed Athlons to be equivalent to Athlon XPs, it didn't change the HR class of the workunits that were already completed. Now that I've done that, things should be working again. *crosses fingers*
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                                        Message 1706 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 23:31:13 UTC - in response to Message 1704.

                                          Well, actually, I just changed the HR class on all Athlons to be equivalent to Athlon XPs. I'm not sure why that didn't occur to me before.

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                                          Message 1707 - Posted 1 Aug 2007 23:32:51 UTC - in response to Message 1706.

                                            Well, actually, I just changed the HR class on all Athlons to be equivalent to Athlon XPs. I'm not sure why that didn't occur to me before.

                                            You can't think of everything. Consider us an extension of your brain, or your conscience. ;)

                                            Er, rather, I change the HR class on all Athlon workunits to be equivalent to Athlon XPs. Anyway, yeah, thanks for all of the suggestions, guys.
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                                            Message 1709 - Posted 2 Aug 2007 4:04:26 UTC - in response to Message 1706.


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                                              Message 1712 - Posted 2 Aug 2007 22:19:22 UTC - in response to Message 1707.

                                                I am not sure me whether I understood.
                                                Hmm.
                                                And to this Pentium M with OS Linux, what does that meant? Now I have to wait for another Pentium M with OS Linux?

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                                                Message 1713 - Posted 2 Aug 2007 22:38:23 UTC - in response to Message 1712.

                                                  I am not sure me whether I understood.
                                                  Hmm.
                                                  And to this Pentium M with OS Linux, what does that meant? Now I have to wait for another Pentium M with OS Linux?


                                                  Whoa! You are in worse shape than I am in terms of Pending Results due to work units that are Unsent for validation! :(

                                                  At least my more recent results are getting validated, although the older results (over a week old) remain Pending because they are Unsent and thus cannot be validated.

                                                  Maybe it is time to get more Alpha testers signed up?

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                                                  Message 1714 - Posted 3 Aug 2007 0:07:53 UTC - in response to Message 1713.

                                                    Maybe it is time to get more Alpha testers signed up?

                                                    Sigh! We love alpha. Hm. OK. I love alpha.
                                                    But, grmlgrmlgrml, so this for me:

                                                    Pink Floyd in the album "The Wall" ask this Question in the early 1980 in another way : "Is there anybody out there?"

                                                    Hello!? Linux? Pentium M? Cosmo? Together? Walk on?

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                                                    Message 1715 - Posted 3 Aug 2007 2:00:12 UTC - in response to Message 1714.

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                                                      Maybe it is time to get more Alpha testers signed up?

                                                      Sigh! We love alpha. Hm. OK. I love alpha.
                                                      But, grmlgrmlgrml, so this for me:

                                                      Pink Floyd in the album "The Wall" ask this Question in the early 1980 in another way : "Is there anybody out there?"

                                                      Hello!? Linux? Pentium M? Cosmo? Together? Walk on?


                                                      Ok, I've been meaning to make my laptop dual-boot anyway. I'll do that in the morning and see what happens. (normally don't run Boinc on the laptop because it is just a 1.8GHz P4-M that generates more heat than results).

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                                                      Message 1722 - Posted 3 Aug 2007 18:27:45 UTC - in response to Message 1715.

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                                                        Maybe it is time to get more Alpha testers signed up?

                                                        Sigh! We love alpha. Hm. OK. I love alpha.
                                                        But, grmlgrmlgrml, so this for me:

                                                        Pink Floyd in the album "The Wall" ask this Question in the early 1980 in another way : "Is there anybody out there?"

                                                        Hello!? Linux? Pentium M? Cosmo? Together? Walk on?


                                                        Ok, I've been meaning to make my laptop dual-boot anyway. I'll do that in the morning and see what happens. (normally don't run Boinc on the laptop because it is just a 1.8GHz P4-M that generates more heat than results).

                                                        OK- We've got one more P4-M Linux machine on-line (that took longer than I thought- had to re-size my windows partitions to free up enough room to install Linux also).
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                                                        Message 1726 - Posted 3 Aug 2007 20:13:14 UTC

                                                          My laptop is a Pentium M 770 running Ubuntu. I'm not going to have the ability to crunch any this weekend, but I'll put it to work on Monday.
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                                                          Message 1728 - Posted 3 Aug 2007 20:53:47 UTC - in response to Message 1722.

                                                            Sigh! We love alpha. Hm. OK. I love alpha.


                                                            Hi ohiomike!
                                                            Great! And it seems to work.
                                                            wuid=330235
                                                            wuid=344979
                                                            I think that's it, isn't it? I love alpha!
                                                            This is a very very big point for you ohiomike! Yes indeed.



                                                            Hi Scott!
                                                            You also testing on wuid=329608?
                                                            Is there any statistic-link which contains CPU and OS? For alphas?
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                                                            Message 1729 - Posted 3 Aug 2007 21:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 1726.

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                                                              Hi Scott!

                                                              My laptop is a Pentium M 770 running Ubuntu. I'm not going to have the ability to crunch any this weekend, but I'll put it to work on Monday.

                                                              Ah, ok, on Monday. I am strained. Have a nice weekend.
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                                                              Message 1763 - Posted 6 Aug 2007 1:28:13 UTC - in response to Message 1728.

                                                                Sigh! We love alpha. Hm. OK. I love alpha.


                                                                Hi ohiomike!
                                                                Great! And it seems to work.
                                                                wuid=330235
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                                                                I think that's it, isn't it? I love alpha!
                                                                This is a very very big point for you ohiomike! Yes indeed.



                                                                Hi Scott!
                                                                You also testing on wuid=329608?
                                                                Is there any statistic-link which contains CPU and OS? For alphas?

                                                                Now that we're getting your pendings reduced, the next question is- is 193 still on-line? If it's not, I'll end up with a lot of pendings once I clean your cache out. (It looks like we only have your machine, Scott's, and mine).
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                                                                Message 1767 - Posted 6 Aug 2007 7:16:14 UTC - in response to Message 1763.

                                                                  Now that we're getting your pendings reduced, the next question is- is 193 still on-line? If it's not, I'll end up with a lot of pendings once I clean your cache out. (It looks like we only have your machine, Scott's, and mine).


                                                                  You are right. 193 isn't on-line at the time. 193 is crunching for malaria. I think I'm going on-line again if there is another P-M-Linux. May be in a couple of weeks.

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                                                                  Message 1780 - Posted 6 Aug 2007 15:10:19 UTC - in response to Message 1763.

                                                                    If it's not, I'll end up with a lot of pendings once I clean your cache out.


                                                                    I have just seen that your last three WUs on 1528 are complete new. strangely, isn't it?.
                                                                    I will try to catch them.

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                                                                    Message 1793 - Posted 7 Aug 2007 8:41:16 UTC - in response to Message 1714.

                                                                      Maybe it is time to get more Alpha testers signed up?

                                                                      Sigh! We love alpha. Hm. OK. I love alpha.
                                                                      But, grmlgrmlgrml, so this for me:

                                                                      Pink Floyd in the album "The Wall" ask this Question in the early 1980 in another way : "Is there anybody out there?"

                                                                      Hello!? Linux? Pentium M? Cosmo? Together? Walk on?

                                                                      Same way, looking for a pentium II under Linux ^^


                                                                      733639 331229 31 Jul 2007 6:40:57 UTC 6 Aug 2007 16:45:56 UTC Over Success Done 91,454.38 32.04 pending
                                                                      692705 329411 27 Jul 2007 7:30:23 UTC 30 Jul 2007 23:28:45 UTC Over Success Done 25,712.92 8.99 pending

                                                                      There is two WU to complete one for 25,712 s and the other for 91,454 s

                                                                      Who wants to do it ?-)
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                                                                      Message 1798 - Posted 7 Aug 2007 13:07:02 UTC

                                                                        Sounds like people should either put up a Wanted web site, or put it on eBay.

                                                                        Wanted for reaching quorum on Cosmo, AMD x and Pentium y. ;-)
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                                                                        Message 1802 - Posted 7 Aug 2007 16:25:32 UTC - in response to Message 1798.

                                                                          Sounds like people should either put up a Wanted web site, or put it on eBay.

                                                                          Wanted for reaching quorum on Cosmo, AMD x and Pentium y. ;-)


                                                                          Well, I guess it wouldn't be out of the question for me to put a live cd in my pentium M laptop- would that help? I need some help for my Linux Xeon 3220. It's got a lot of pending/unsent.

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                                                                          Message 1803 - Posted 7 Aug 2007 17:24:04 UTC - in response to Message 1802.

                                                                            Well, I guess it wouldn't be out of the question for me to put a live cd in my pentium M laptop- would that help?

                                                                            I don't think so. Since usually a live CD doesn't write anything to disk and BOINC is very difficult to handle on a RAMDisk. It can't write to client_state.xml so easily on that, or so I think I read. (Perhaps I read wrong).
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                                                                            Message 1821 - Posted 8 Aug 2007 1:12:49 UTC - in response to Message 1803.

                                                                              Well, I guess it wouldn't be out of the question for me to put a live cd in my pentium M laptop- would that help?

                                                                              I don't think so. Since usually a live CD doesn't write anything to disk and BOINC is very difficult to handle on a RAMDisk. It can't write to client_state.xml so easily on that, or so I think I read. (Perhaps I read wrong).


                                                                              You are right. Cosmo won't give me any work on the laptop since I don't "have enough disk space allocated" with Live Ubuntu. Now maybe if I installed it on a usb drive...

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                                                                              Message 1832 - Posted 8 Aug 2007 3:44:38 UTC

                                                                                I don't think this should be a problem for much longer. The biggest roadblock to open beta is getting CAMB to work stand-alone. Since I've made a breakthrough in that department, I think we should be opening up within the next couple of weeks (maybe sooner, depending on my luck).

                                                                                Once we have more users, HR should become less and less of an issue.
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                                                                                Message 1843 - Posted 8 Aug 2007 15:50:19 UTC - in response to Message 1821.

                                                                                  Well, I guess it wouldn't be out of the question for me to put a live cd in my pentium M laptop- would that help?

                                                                                  I don't think so. Since usually a live CD doesn't write anything to disk and BOINC is very difficult to handle on a RAMDisk. It can't write to client_state.xml so easily on that, or so I think I read. (Perhaps I read wrong).


                                                                                  You are right. Cosmo won't give me any work on the laptop since I don't "have enough disk space allocated" with Live Ubuntu. Now maybe if I installed it on a usb drive...

                                                                                  Especialy with the 700 MB checkpoint file I thinck ^^
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                                                                                  Message 1850 - Posted 8 Aug 2007 21:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 1729.

                                                                                    Hi Scott!
                                                                                    My laptop is a Pentium M 770 running Ubuntu. I'm not going to have the ability to crunch any this weekend, but I'll put it to work on Monday.

                                                                                    Ah, ok, on Monday. I am strained. Have a nice weekend.


                                                                                    Thanks for helping me out.
                                                                                    Weekend is over. Testing is over. The result is clear, isn't it?.
                                                                                    Do you forgot your Test-Laptop? Not really, isn't it? But I think you could stop testing for now.
                                                                                    What ever! Mad employment! (Is that the correct formulation? Is formulation a correct formulation? *sigh* What ever.)
                                                                                    Thanks again! Great Job!
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                                                                                    Message 1891 - Posted 9 Aug 2007 21:00:06 UTC - in response to Message 1780.

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                                                                                      @ohiomike:
                                                                                      Hi, now I clean your cache out. Thanks again for helping me out.
                                                                                      And BTW: THX for starting this relay funny threat! :-))


                                                                                      @Thrr Gilag Kee'rr: Unfortunately there isn't any PII available. I would help out. But consider please: ohiomike wrote:

                                                                                      normally don't run Boinc on the laptop because it is just A 1.8GHz P4-M that gene advice more heat than results.
                                                                                      I say: PII produce more CO2 than results. Switch off your PII! Your children would thank you!


                                                                                      @Scott:
                                                                                      ohiomike couldn't compute my old WUs from 20070724/25
                                                                                      http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome//workunit.php?wuid=327557]wu_072207_130549_1
                                                                                      http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome//workunit.php?wuid=327556]wu_072207_130549_0
                                                                                      http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome//workunit.php?wuid=327537]wu_072207_130529_0
                                                                                      http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome//workunit.php?wuid=322162]wu_072007_211609_0
                                                                                      http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome//workunit.php?wuid=322144]wu_072007_211546_0

                                                                                      He got new WUs.
                                                                                      The old WUs of Pam Heinze (20070724 and older) apparently also are not computed.
                                                                                      Hmm.
                                                                                      Are they too old?
                                                                                      Is there a CAMB 1,24 / CAMB 1,25 conflict?
                                                                                      Make it sence too... set some of the oldest pending results to a higher priority than the others so that they'd be completed first ...? extra wordsenset
                                                                                      Any ideas? If not, come on, f*** the past, go ahead!


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                                                                                      Message 1902 - Posted 9 Aug 2007 23:11:49 UTC

                                                                                        Here's something I picked up on Leiden.

                                                                                        HR.c shows all HR classes.

                                                                                        Those classes are explained in this PDF file and if you have time enough, on this site.

                                                                                        Or as Mark says it:
                                                                                        "In a nutshell, cause no rounding of trigoniometric functions is defined in the ieee floating point specs, the specific rounding mode of these functions is vendor, core and micro-op implementation dependant. In some scientific codes these very small (of about 1E-16 in size using double precision) rouding differences explode because they occur millions of times... Hense homogeneous redundancy and different classes...


                                                                                        Sceptic? Just try it, make a code using a lot of calls to cos(x) of a lot of different x values, add them together and run the same exec. (compile it once for i386) on different classes of same vendor...

                                                                                        Furthermore, there are hardly any Xeon PIII's out there anymore... These usually resided into servers or machines like that and most of them appear to be replaced allready... Desktops tend to linger longer with older CPU's and therefore show more diversity in general...
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                                                                                        Message 1910 - Posted 10 Aug 2007 3:50:14 UTC

                                                                                          Sorry, this is all a bit over my head. Can I gather from this thread that if there are unsent WUs that are holding up some of my pending results, the unsent WUs will eventually be sent? Or do I need to list the WUs here so they can be addressed? Thanks in advance.

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                                                                                          Message 1911 - Posted 10 Aug 2007 4:01:32 UTC - in response to Message 1910.

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                                                                                            Sorry, this is all a bit over my head. Can I gather from this thread that if there are unsent WUs that are holding up some of my pending results, the unsent WUs will eventually be sent? Or do I need to list the WUs here so they can be addressed? Thanks in advance.


                                                                                            picantecomputing - you have only 2 pending unsent on host 1371 of which your operating system and cpu type should have no probs finding a "match" soon. Some work isn't being sent back out too fast recently... give it a few more days....oh and if you post about pending it is to help the project not for credit issues as that has been taken care of by a higher credit value per wu and admin has awarded credit to unmatched quorumed work pending. Admin is well aware of this general issue and working toward a soloution.

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                                                                                            Message 1912 - Posted 10 Aug 2007 4:13:44 UTC - in response to Message 1911.

                                                                                              picantecomputing - you have only 2 pending unsent on host 1371 of which your operating system and cpu type should have no probs finding a "match" soon. Some work isn't being sent back out too fast recently... give it a few more days....oh and if you post about pending it is to help the project not for credit issues as that has been taken care of by a higher credit value per wu and admin has awarded credit to unmatched quorumed work pending. Admin is well aware of this general issue and working toward a soloution.

                                                                                              Yah, I really don't care about the credit. It's so little and I totally understand this is an alpha. Just wondering what the deal was in general and if we were supposed to report this kind of thing. All this "HR" talk is way out of my league. Thanks for the info!

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                                                                                              Message 1926 - Posted 10 Aug 2007 16:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 1658.

                                                                                                I have what seems to me a lot of Pending credits on one of my machines because the work unit remains "Unsent" and so cannot achieve the minimum quorum necessary. And these units have remained "Unsent" for quite awhile!

                                                                                                Here are some examples:

                                                                                                319897
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                                                                                                Thanks!


                                                                                                I just picked up one of your lonely WUs the first one). Strange that it was just sent out a couple of days ago. I'm also surprised I haven't picked up more of yours.
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                                                                                                Message 1928 - Posted 10 Aug 2007 17:07:21 UTC - in response to Message 1926.

                                                                                                  I have what seems to me a lot of Pending credits on one of my machines because the work unit remains "Unsent" and so cannot achieve the minimum quorum necessary. And these units have remained "Unsent" for quite awhile!

                                                                                                  Here are some examples:

                                                                                                  319897
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                                                                                                  322143
                                                                                                  328067
                                                                                                  327754

                                                                                                  Thanks!


                                                                                                  I just picked up one of your lonely WUs the first one). Strange that it was just sent out a couple of days ago. I'm also surprised I haven't picked up more of yours.


                                                                                                  Yay, this is such good news! I have old AMD units, too, just hanging out without getting validated because they remain Unsent. They are from this same time period, so here's hoping they finally get sent out! :)
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                                                                                                  Message 1958 - Posted 12 Aug 2007 3:09:49 UTC

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                                                                                                    Here are some examples from my hosts. It looks like replacements were created but unsent.

                                                                                                    709296...337407...36.80 expired 9 August Host 2
                                                                                                    731464...348149...50.12 expired 9 August Host 2
                                                                                                    734361...349517...36.60 expired 9 August Host 2
                                                                                                    735454...350063...36.09 expired 9 August Host 2
                                                                                                    736039...350355...36.55 expired 9 August Host 1
                                                                                                    737183...350927...50.90 expired 10 August Host 3
                                                                                                    746319...355207...50.59 expired 9 August Host 3

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                                                                                                    Message 2249 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 13:53:22 UTC

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                                                                                                      I have quite a few pending on my Pentium E2160 running 64 bit Linux as well. In case that's also a HR issue - these Pentiums are Core 2 Duos with less L2 Cache and should be able to be paired with other Core 2 processors. Some of these results have been sitting there for 4 weeks already.

                                                                                                      But perhaps there's just not enough active Core 2 machines running 64 bit Linux.

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                                                                                                      Message 2252 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 16:22:02 UTC - in response to Message 2249.

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                                                                                                        I have quite a few pending on my Pentium E2160 running 64 bit Linux as well. In case that's also a HR issue - these Pentiums are Core 2 Duos with less L2 Cache and should be able to be paired with other Core 2 processors. Some of these results have been sitting there for 4 weeks already.

                                                                                                        But perhaps there's just not enough active Core 2 machines running 64 bit Linux.

                                                                                                        See Host 1947

                                                                                                        I've had the same problem with my Linux/Xeon machine. There just isn't that many of them. I think that it should be paired with any Linux/Xeon machine (at least in Boinc 5.10.7, the latest source I have locally, I couldn't check the latest version as Boinc:Trac is offline), but it is still struggling.
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                                                                                                        Message 2253 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 16:24:42 UTC - in response to Message 2252.

                                                                                                          I have quite a few pending on my Pentium E2160 running 64 bit Linux as well. In case that's also a HR issue - these Pentiums are Core 2 Duos with less L2 Cache and should be able to be paired with other Core 2 processors. Some of these results have been sitting there for 4 weeks already.

                                                                                                          But perhaps there's just not enough active Core 2 machines running 64 bit Linux.

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                                                                                                          I've had the same problem with my Linux/Xeon machine. There just isn't that many of them. I think that it should be paired with any Linux/Xeon machine (at least in Boinc 5.10.7, the latest source I have locally, I couldn't check the latest version as Boinc:Trac is offline), but it is still struggling.


                                                                                                          I have switched my X3220/Ubuntu64 to Cosmology until the queue is dry. Just 1 machine, but maybe it helps a bit.

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                                                                                                          Message 2255 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 16:37:29 UTC - in response to Message 2253.

                                                                                                            I have quite a few pending on my Pentium E2160 running 64 bit Linux as well. In case that's also a HR issue - these Pentiums are Core 2 Duos with less L2 Cache and should be able to be paired with other Core 2 processors. Some of these results have been sitting there for 4 weeks already.

                                                                                                            But perhaps there's just not enough active Core 2 machines running 64 bit Linux.

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                                                                                                            I've had the same problem with my Linux/Xeon machine. There just isn't that many of them. I think that it should be paired with any Linux/Xeon machine (at least in Boinc 5.10.7, the latest source I have locally, I couldn't check the latest version as Boinc:Trac is offline), but it is still struggling.


                                                                                                            I have switched my X3220/Ubuntu64 to Cosmology until the queue is dry. Just 1 machine, but maybe it helps a bit.

                                                                                                            Thanks, I've been hoping to clear them myself. Instead of running my MacPro under Linux, I went back to Darwin with 3 Virtual Machines running Linux hoping they would pick up the hanging WU's. So far they are all getting mostly new WU's instead of re-sends. I am hoping that once the Results Database runs down some, that they will start to clear out. I think Scott is scratching his head and looking at the scheduler (why it's sending new WU's instead of re-sends), which is all I can really ask at this time.


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                                                                                                            Message 2256 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 19:18:58 UTC

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                                                                                                              The pending units aren't all associated with 'Athalons' or 64 bit machines.

                                                                                                              I have one here from a Pentium 4 / XP. (originally abandoned but still unsent again from 19/08/2007).

                                                                                                              http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=369172


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                                                                                                              Message 2257 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 19:51:11 UTC

                                                                                                                These two are still pending with unsent wingman since August 4th:


                                                                                                                http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=355786
                                                                                                                http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=355787

                                                                                                                They are both Pentium D with XP.
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                                                                                                                Message 2258 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 20:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 2257.

                                                                                                                  These two are still pending with unsent wingman since August 4th:


                                                                                                                  http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=355786
                                                                                                                  http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=355787

                                                                                                                  They are both Pentium D with XP.


                                                                                                                  Would Pentium D be a separate class or is it the same as P4? If it's separate, I have one I could put on the project for a little while.
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                                                                                                                    These two are still pending with unsent wingman since August 4th:


                                                                                                                    http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=355786
                                                                                                                    http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=355787

                                                                                                                    They are both Pentium D with XP.


                                                                                                                    Would Pentium D be a separate class or is it the same as P4? If it's separate, I have one I could put on the project for a little while.


                                                                                                                    P4-D is in a class by it's self unless Scott has over-ridden the stock defs from hr.c
                                                                                                                    PS- My P4-D only has 11 "unsents", it is doing better than most platforms.



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                                                                                                                    Message 2260 - Posted 23 Aug 2007 21:27:00 UTC

                                                                                                                      I went through most of my Pending Wu's & it looks like a lot of them have been sent out again or finally sent to somebody anyway. I ran across these 2 though, why their still Pending I don't know, 1's been Pending since the 17'th & the other since the 20'th even though they have 2 Returns for them ... ???

                                                                                                                      http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=380325
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                                                                                                                      Message 2270 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 1:27:39 UTC

                                                                                                                        I have 11 pending and most of those were 8/22 thru 8/24 and all seem to have someone running them. Seems to be keeping up pretty good to me.

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                                                                                                                        Message 2277 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 4:02:25 UTC

                                                                                                                          I haven't noticed any difference on my pending. Actually the number of WUs that are pending has grown. I have checked them and most have not been re-issued. Funny that it is affecting both of my pc's. I didn't think my AMD Athlon 2400 and my Intel duo core were that rare :?
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                                                                                                                          Message 2278 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 4:07:35 UTC - in response to Message 2277.

                                                                                                                            I haven't noticed any difference on my pending. Actually the number of WUs that are pending has grown. I have checked them and most have not been re-issued. Funny that it is affecting both of my pc's. I didn't think my AMD Athlon 2400 and my Intel duo core were that rare :?



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                                                                                                                            I don't think they are that rare...I think it is more of a scheduler issue Scott needs to iron-out because I see the same thing.

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                                                                                                                            Message 2280 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 13:00:12 UTC

                                                                                                                              I see a lot of "client detached" of the french which leaves a lot of wu's to recycle.
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                                                                                                                              Message 2283 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 16:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 2278.

                                                                                                                                I haven't noticed any difference on my pending. Actually the number of WUs that are pending has grown. I have checked them and most have not been re-issued. Funny that it is affecting both of my pc's. I didn't think my AMD Athlon 2400 and my Intel duo core were that rare :?



                                                                                                                                Hiya Acmefrog :)

                                                                                                                                I don't think they are that rare...I think it is more of a scheduler issue Scott needs to iron-out because I see the same thing.


                                                                                                                                I didn't think they were rare as I never had problems anywhere else with getting a wingman. But some of my WUs are from 10+ days ago that are still flying solo. I guess I will wait and see.
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                                                                                                                                Message 2284 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 17:04:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                  I have three currently pending, but I will be patient and wait for them to be granted. Believe me I have run some projects where it has been months between pending and granted credit, but they were in the beta stage then.

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                                                                                                                                  Message 2285 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 17:16:13 UTC - in response to Message 2284.

                                                                                                                                    Believe me I have run some projects where it has been months between pending and granted credit, but they were in the beta stage then.Ni


                                                                                                                                    *cough*SZTAKI*cough*

                                                                                                                                    I have 14k pending there, going back to June.
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                                                                                                                                    Message 2286 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 17:17:05 UTC - in response to Message 2284.

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                                                                                                                                      I have three currently pending, but I will be patient and wait for them to be granted. Believe me I have run some projects where it has been months between pending and granted credit, but they were in the beta stage then.

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                                                                                                                                      Hi Wabbit,
                                                                                                                                      I'd be happy with 3. I've got about 450 currently pending (12K+) as we speak.
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                                                                                                                                      General Note: In the last 2 days while Scott has been doing the Results run-down, we have processed 10,018 results. We currently are running 5530 WU's, up from 4634 2 days ago, so it looks like opening the sign-up is attracting new users.
                                                                                                                                      Unfortunately for me my pending have increased from 423 to 456, with pending credits going from 11,156 up to 12,156. Hopefully Scott finds the scheduler glitch and/or the run-down helps clean some of them out.
                                                                                                                                      A quick look at Pendings my 3 Xeon/Linux test machines:
                                                                                                                                      1908 9 of 12 unsent.
                                                                                                                                      1909 10 of 10 unsent.
                                                                                                                                      1910 8 of 12 unsent.


                                                                                                                                      PS- 9,000 or so Results left in the WU queue. It will be interesting to see the project state when that runs down. ie- will all the "unsent"s get sent, etc.

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                                                                                                                                      Message 2287 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 18:41:45 UTC

                                                                                                                                        Zombie67 another project, kind of like Sztaki was vtu and burp. Both bad in the pending credit, it has taught me to be patient. Eventually when all the work is turned back in will there be no more pending credit (hopefully).

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                                                                                                                                        Message 2288 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 20:09:15 UTC - in response to Message 2287.

                                                                                                                                          Zombie67 another project, kind of like Sztaki was vtu and burp. Both bad in the pending credit, it has taught me to be patient. Eventually when all the work is turned back in will there be no more pending credit (hopefully).

                                                                                                                                          Heh. Yep, I have several thousand pending on VTU too. I think, anyway, since it's been down for almost a week now, and I can't check. For BURP, now that they are taking a break, I finally have all my pending cleaned up.
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                                                                                                                                          Message 2289 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 21:36:52 UTC

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                                                                                                                                            I have also some WU's with pending credit and the WU hasn't been resent.

                                                                                                                                            383674
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                                                                                                                                            Both of my computers are Intel Core2 Duo running 64bit linux (ubuntu).
                                                                                                                                            Most of the WU's are in this state since 15 Aug 2007.


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                                                                                                                                            Message 2290 - Posted 24 Aug 2007 21:41:19 UTC - in response to Message 2289.

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                                                                                                                                              I have also some WU's with pending credit and the WU hasn't been resent.

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                                                                                                                                              Both of my computers are Intel Core2 Duo running 64bit linux (ubuntu).



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                                                                                                                                              Message 2299 - Posted 25 Aug 2007 2:23:42 UTC

                                                                                                                                                My pending is still growing but on the good side I had more credits granted today than I have in over a week. I still have a lot of unsent/needs to be resent work waiting for a partner. Still the queue is drying up so we shall soon see.
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                                                                                                                                                Message 2329 - Posted 25 Aug 2007 17:54:34 UTC

                                                                                                                                                  For what it's worth:

                                                                                                                                                  #379: Send In-Progress Results First
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                                                                                                                                                  Reporter: ohiomike | Owner: ballen
                                                                                                                                                  Type: Enhancement | Status: new
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                                                                                                                                                  Would it be possible to do an extra pass of scan_work_array with a
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                                                                                                                                                  Message 2330 - Posted 25 Aug 2007 18:29:52 UTC - in response to Message 2329.

                                                                                                                                                    #379: Send In-Progress Results First
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                                                                                                                                                    I don't think you'll get an answer on that soon. Bruce isn't much around on Trac.
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                                                                                                                                                      #379: Send In-Progress Results First
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                                                                                                                                                      I don't think you'll get an answer on that soon. Bruce isn't much around on Trac.
                                                                                                                                                      But I'll see who else I can point it to.

                                                                                                                                                      Thanks Ageless
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                                                                                                                                                      Message 2348 - Posted 26 Aug 2007 10:39:58 UTC

                                                                                                                                                        My Linux VM's are starting to treat some "old cows", dating from 15 august. Back in the good ol' 60 credit days. Pending credit for many people should start to go down now. There's still over 5000 WU left thought. It might take some time to munch through these. If we knew for what machines most of these are, we could try and round up some teammates with the right type of machine to finish the stack asap.
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                                                                                                                                                          My Linux VM's are starting to treat some "old cows", dating from 15 august. Back in the good ol' 60 credit days. Pending credit for many people should start to go down now. There's still over 5000 WU left thought. It might take some time to munch through these. If we knew for what machines most of these are, we could try and round up some teammates with the right type of machine to finish the stack asap.


                                                                                                                                                          If no new work is added it will take something like 2 weeks to get the ready to send down to near zero.
                                                                                                                                                          I suspect most of the work left is destined for Linux hosts,64 bit OS, and exotic cpu types that don't match up anywhere.
                                                                                                                                                          Seems like the vast majority will just starve.

                                                                                                                                                          At some point if the ready to sent isn't going anywhere I would suggest we turn HR off or modify HR and let those of us willing to risk getting invalids try to finish the rest off.It's just somewhere down the road we will get back to this same spot again :(

                                                                                                                                                          Maybe it can be as simple as dividing the categories into Intel/AMD for cpu types and Linux32-64/Windows32-64/Mac32-64(when avail) for OS's so this doesn't reoccur?

                                                                                                                                                          If I remember right the invalids were mostly when linux matched up with windows not when Intel matched up with AMD....

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                                                                                                                                                            What I've "got hanging" at the moment:

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                                                                                                                                                            Message 2361 - Posted 26 Aug 2007 14:52:04 UTC - in response to Message 2354.

                                                                                                                                                              What I've "got hanging" at the moment:

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                                                                                                                                                              I will see if I can convince a few people to run some Linux.
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                                                                                                                                                              Message 2362 - Posted 26 Aug 2007 15:06:25 UTC - in response to Message 2299.

                                                                                                                                                                My pending is still growing but on the good side I had more credits granted today than I have in over a week. I still have a lot of unsent/needs to be resent work waiting for a partner. Still the queue is drying up so we shall soon see.


                                                                                                                                                                My pending is dropping (mostly for my Intel machine) But my AMD is not so lucky. A couple of them (AMD) have been sent out :(
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                                                                                                                                                                Message 2370 - Posted 26 Aug 2007 16:51:31 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                  Not any help for Windows users, but my pending WUs have been clearing up at the rate of about 7/hour since we went on the "Linux binge". I've dropped from 412 down to 310 in the last 12 hours. That's increasing by about 1 or 2 /hour for the last week.

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                                                                                                                                                                    I will see if I can convince a few people to run some Linux.

                                                                                                                                                                    I added two single-CPU Xeon Linux VM's, I already had them running on my Xeons but for a different (non-BOINC) purpose.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Attached a P4 530 (3.0 Ghz with HT) running Ubuntu 7.04 (32 bit).
                                                                                                                                                                      ==> running 2 WU's for the moment.

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                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/forum_thread.php?id=21&nowrap=true#2377


                                                                                                                                                                          thanks for the update, Scott, but I still have tons pending... somehow only 1/5th got cleaned out of my pending list (10k pending down to 8k pending)

                                                                                                                                                                          most wus now say: didn't need on the wu which was not yet sent yesterday.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for the update.

                                                                                                                                                                            However, the two WUs I listed earlier in this thread are still showing as waiting for the wing man to be issued. They were issued to my Pentium D/windows XP machine, yet other Pentium D/windows XP machine are still being told there is no work available.

                                                                                                                                                                            This sounds like a different problem from what you talked about in the announcement section.

                                                                                                                                                                            Edit: The original wing man missed the deadline on Aug 11th. So it's been over two weeks since the wing man needed to be reissued, and it still hasn't.
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                                                                                                                                                                              thanks for the update, Scott, but I still have tons pending... somehow only 1/5th got cleaned out of my pending list (10k pending down to 8k pending)

                                                                                                                                                                              most wus now say: didn't need on the wu which was not yet sent yesterday.

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                                                                                                                                                                              ps: I hope this "cut out" won't turn into a loss of aprox. 20k credits for me...

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                                                                                                                                                                              Ouch- I think I just lost 227 WUs (227*50=11,200). I hate to point it out, but I looked at most of those results and less than 1% involved download failures, and 127 of them had a partner running them when they were canceled
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                                                                                                                                                                                Ouch- I think I just lost 227 WUs (227*50=11,200). I hate to point it out, but I looked at most of those results and less than 1% involved download failures, and 127 of them had a partner running them when they were canceled
                                                                                                                                                                                PS- They all show as Pending & Canceled at the same time.?


                                                                                                                                                                                I have some of those too, although not that many. Many of the older WU I ran today and yesterday (ID < +/- 399000) got canceled and show as pending.

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                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2388 - Posted 26 Aug 2007 23:32:11 UTC - in response to Message 2385.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  thanks for the update, Scott, but I still have tons pending... somehow only 1/5th got cleaned out of my pending list (10k pending down to 8k pending)

                                                                                                                                                                                  most wus now say: didn't need on the wu which was not yet sent yesterday.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  good night.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Ouch- I think I just lost 227 WUs (227*50=11,200). I hate to point it out, but I looked at most of those results and less than 1% involved download failures, and 127 of them had a partner running them when they were canceled
                                                                                                                                                                                  PS- They all show as Pending & Canceled at the same time.?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Same here but I think I lost about 30 WUs and like yours some had be issues but my AMD still was lonely.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2391 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 2:22:56 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Lost 95. Not a big deal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2392 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 2:27:52 UTC - in response to Message 2385.

                                                                                                                                                                                      ..Ouch- I think I just lost 227 WUs (227*50=11,200). I hate to point it out, but I looked at most of those results and less than 1% involved download failures, and 127 of them had a partner running them when they were canceled
                                                                                                                                                                                      PS- They all show as Pending & Canceled at the same time.?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Ouch indeed! Hopefully this issue will get fixed shortly, but needs to be fixed certainly imho before the project goes into Beta, unless the issue is not enough users, which I do not think it is....

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2393 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 4:47:20 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                        How many AMD's are there here crunching anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I know mine is and AMD. Is there only two of us? Strength in numbers, fellow AMD man.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2394 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 5:25:50 UTC - in response to Message 2382.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks for the update.

                                                                                                                                                                                          However, the two WUs I listed earlier in this thread are still showing as waiting for the wing man to be issued. They were issued to my Pentium D/windows XP machine, yet other Pentium D/windows XP machine are still being told there is no work available.

                                                                                                                                                                                          This sounds like a different problem from what you talked about in the announcement section.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Edit: The original wing man missed the deadline on Aug 11th. So it's been over two weeks since the wing man needed to be reissued, and it still hasn't.


                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry, I missed that the "errors" field now shows "canceled" for both of these two WUs.

                                                                                                                                                                                          But now I need to ask another question: Why are these two results (and many more) still showing in my "pending" list?
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2395 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 6:25:38 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                            My pending creds also went down, but now I got four WUs labeled "canceled". I'm the one who finished them with "Success" and then they go canceled? Why is that?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2396 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 6:36:02 UTC - in response to Message 2395.

                                                                                                                                                                                              My pending creds also went down, but now I got four WUs labeled "canceled". I'm the one who finished them with "Success" and then they go canceled? Why is that?

                                                                                                                                                                                              Why? Why is explained here:

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2397 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 8:25:22 UTC - in response to Message 2394.

                                                                                                                                                                                                But now I need to ask another question: Why are these two results (and many more) still showing in my "pending" list?


                                                                                                                                                                                                Same here, I still have 36 Wu's that have been canceled but are still in my Pending Credits List ... ???

                                                                                                                                                                                                9 of them never were sent to a Wingman, the other 27 had been sent to somebody though, were some of these Wu's Canceled Prematurely when they didn't need to be or have a chance to be completed by the Wingman ... ???

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2398 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 9:17:42 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Another ditto:

                                                                                                                                                                                                  3 WU canceled after I completed them successfully and never sent to a wingman and still showing in my Pending Credits. (Canceled with no reason?) I can see canceling the WU with errors - but why cancel one with no errors - other than the fact the server won't send it out to a wingman ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                  4 WU still unsent. There has to be a bug if new WU are being issued while the unsent wingman WU stack up.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2399 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 11:01:54 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry for the lost of credits/work/time, but things should be downhill from here.


                                                                                                                                                                                                    hehe ... Scott, that downhill from here from here could be taken 2 ways, it could mean good or bad for the project ... :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2400 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 11:13:54 UTC - in response to Message 2397.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      But now I need to ask another question: Why are these two results (and many more) still showing in my "pending" list?


                                                                                                                                                                                                      Same here, I still have 36 Wu's that have been canceled but are still in my Pending Credits List ... ???

                                                                                                                                                                                                      9 of them never were sent to a Wingman, the other 27 had been sent to somebody though, were some of these Wu's Canceled Prematurely when they didn't need to be or have a chance to be completed by the Wingman ... ???


                                                                                                                                                                                                      It looks like the Canceled Wu's are being slowly cleaned out of the pending List, I only have 21 left now out of the 36 I mentioned a few hours ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2401 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 12:34:45 UTC - in response to Message 2399.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry for the lost of credits/work/time, but things should be downhill from here.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        hehe ... Scott, that downhill from here from here could be taken 2 ways, it could mean good or bad for the project ... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think we are looking for a term like "smooth sailing from here on out" but I don't think that can be said yet. Although if the scheduler problem is fixed and the "pending" number of units does not start growing, getting older and older and older.....Then I guess that term could be used! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2402 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 13:04:46 UTC - in response to Message 2401.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry for the lost of credits/work/time, but things should be downhill from here.


                                                                                                                                                                                                          hehe ... Scott, that downhill from here from here could be taken 2 ways, it could mean good or bad for the project ... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think we are looking for a term like "smooth sailing from here on out" but I don't think that can be said yet. Although if the scheduler problem is fixed and the "pending" number of units does not start growing, getting older and older and older.....Then I guess that term could be used! ;)


                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I know what Scott meant, but the Term downhill is used a lot when things are going to go bad too, thats all I was referring to ... :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2405 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 13:51:15 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Personally I think Scott has the Alpha project running remarkably smooth compared to others I will not mention.:) As for lost credits, it is Alpha guys,,,,lighten up.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2406 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 14:09:17 UTC - in response to Message 2405.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Personally I think Scott has the Alpha project running remarkably smooth compared to others I will not mention.:) As for lost credits, it is Alpha guys,,,,lighten up.


                                                                                                                                                                                                              agreed! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I sure can live with the loss of credits... because it's not a loss it simply a lack of granted credits.. *g*

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2408 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 14:53:44 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sorry if/that you guys lost credits, but my schedule is so packed right now I just didn't have the time to make a complex fix. I'm really focusing on getting the Windows version of the stand-alone CAMB app working. Once that's out of the way, I'll work on implementing some simple graphics and such.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Personally I think Scott has the Alpha project running remarkably smooth compared to others I will not mention.:) As for lost credits, it is Alpha guys,,,,lighten up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Of course, we all realize it is alpha. I don't see any anyone complaining in a serious manner. Mostly just questions, and observations to to help resolve issues. That's what an alpha user is supposed to be doing.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2410 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 15:27:47 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'll work on implementing some simple graphics and such.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Excellent news! Thanks. More important to me is the results returned so far, are they viable ?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2411 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 15:42:06 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorry if/that you guys lost credits, but my schedule is so packed right now I just didn't have the time to make a complex fix.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The loss of the Credits is Water over the Dam Scott, it happens at many of the Alpha & Beta projects so it shouldn't be any big deal to anybody that's used to running the Alpha-Beta projects ... :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2412 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 16:00:28 UTC - in response to Message 2411.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The loss of the Credits is Water over the Dam Scott, it happens at many of the Alpha & Beta projects so it shouldn't be any big deal to anybody that's used to running the Alpha-Beta projects ... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Until something bad happens and the credits get reset on everyone. Then it doesn't matter if it's alpha or beta, the mass exodus will begin. Accompanied by the drums of BOINC sucks. ;-)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2413 - Posted 27 Aug 2007 16:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 2412.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The loss of the Credits is Water over the Dam Scott, it happens at many of the Alpha & Beta projects so it shouldn't be any big deal to anybody that's used to running the Alpha-Beta projects ... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Until something bad happens and the credits get reset on everyone. Then it doesn't matter if it's alpha or beta, the mass exodus will begin. Accompanied by the drums of BOINC sucks. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          So the moral of the story is that credits certainly do count even in Alpha/Beta projects, but participants will give you some leeway, but not total leeway! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The loss of the Credits is Water over the Dam Scott, it happens at many of the Alpha & Beta projects so it shouldn't be any big deal to anybody that's used to running the Alpha-Beta projects ... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Until something bad happens and the credits get reset on everyone. Then it doesn't matter if it's alpha or beta, the mass exodus will begin. Accompanied by the drums of BOINC sucks. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As Carl did on cpdn a couple of yrs ago, tried to satisfy some and upset everyone !!! :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'll work on implementing some simple graphics and such.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Excellent news! Thanks. More important to me is the results returned so far, are they viable ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Graphics will be used mostly to get more users to project, but don't forget the balance between them and application performance... after all, you'll only see the screensaver a couple of minutes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              BTW, if you are already thinking on graphics, then it means the project development goes really fine so far - congratulations ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We are using indeed real data for the CAMB application, but I guess right now most important is getting the app out of alpha stage and check results are consistent - I suppose someone on Ben's group will check them :roll:
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2495 - Posted 3 Sep 2007 0:11:21 UTC - in response to Message 2408.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ..I'm really focusing on getting the Windows version of the stand-alone CAMB app working.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't mean to "bug" you, just curious if you know or have an estimate at this point (such as "by the end of September") when the Windows version might be completed for testing here with us? Thanks! :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2496 - Posted 3 Sep 2007 12:32:01 UTC - in response to Message 2495.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ive got a few Wu's in pending without a partner is this normal

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thats not all of them thanks in advance

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2497 - Posted 3 Sep 2007 15:53:18 UTC - in response to Message 2496.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ive got a few Wu's in pending without a partner is this normal

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419741
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thats not all of them thanks in advance

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We have had problems with the scheduler recently(thats why the cancelling of work last week) and I am not convinced yet that all has been solved however in saying that a few days of no wingman is not cause for alarm either....now if has been a week or two and not sent to another host please post again.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2498 - Posted 3 Sep 2007 21:39:10 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pending WU : 302
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In Progress: 149
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Unsent : 89
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Cancelled : 66

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Older than 5 days (since completion):
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        381387 2575 8/13/2007 12:02 8/13/2007 23:34 381387

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        402563 1070 8/21/2007 16:24 8/24/2007 5:53 402563
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        402518 1152 8/21/2007 16:23 8/24/2007 5:55 402518
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        402568 1152 8/21/2007 16:24 8/24/2007 6:07 402568

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        402519 1152 8/21/2007 16:23 8/25/2007 1:26 402519
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        402546 1152 8/21/2007 16:23 8/25/2007 3:27 402546
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        402553 1152 8/21/2007 16:24 8/25/2007 13:32 402553

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        402569 1152 8/21/2007 16:24 8/26/2007 16:59 402569

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408359 2387 8/26/2007 23:03 8/28/2007 23:49 408359

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408682 2387 8/26/2007 23:09 8/29/2007 2:47 408682
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        410631 2387 8/27/2007 0:09 8/29/2007 6:38 410631
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        414248 2575 8/27/2007 18:01 8/29/2007 18:32 414248

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        407939 2387 8/26/2007 22:32 8/30/2007 3:47 407939
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408447 2387 8/26/2007 23:05 8/30/2007 3:56 408447
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408554 2387 8/26/2007 23:07 8/30/2007 3:57 408554
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        409722 2387 8/26/2007 23:30 8/30/2007 5:08 409722
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        409715 2387 8/26/2007 23:29 8/30/2007 5:20 409715
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408912 2387 8/26/2007 23:14 8/30/2007 6:32 408912
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408882 2387 8/26/2007 23:13 8/30/2007 6:38 408882
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408914 2387 8/26/2007 23:14 8/30/2007 6:41 408914
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        408963 2387 8/26/2007 23:15 8/30/2007 7:24 408963
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        410534 2387 8/27/2007 0:07 8/30/2007 10:05 410534
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        410674 2387 8/27/2007 0:10 8/30/2007 10:18 410674
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        410808 2387 8/27/2007 0:12 8/30/2007 11:35 410808
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        411594 2387 8/27/2007 0:27 8/30/2007 14:34 411594
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        411597 2387 8/27/2007 0:27 8/30/2007 15:30 411597
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        411596 2387 8/27/2007 0:27 8/30/2007 15:55 411596
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        415387 2387 8/27/2007 18:25 8/30/2007 22:03 415387
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2563 - Posted 7 Sep 2007 13:33:18 UTC - in response to Message 2497.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ive got a few Wu's in pending without a partner is this normal

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419751

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thats not all of them thanks in advance

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Craig Marsh


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We have had problems with the scheduler recently(thats why the cancelling of work last week) and I am not convinced yet that all has been solved however in saying that a few days of no wingman is not cause for alarm either....now if has been a week or two and not sent to another host please post again.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Theres 25 WUs without wingman and they are due on monday 10/9/07

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419741
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419748
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419751
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419754
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421383
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421389
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421414
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421416
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421418
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421425
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421428
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421429
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421430
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421433
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421434
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421436
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421438
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421442
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421445
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421446
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421447
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426669
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426866
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426870
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426874

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks Craig Marsh

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2566 - Posted 7 Sep 2007 14:33:08 UTC - in response to Message 2563.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Theres 25 WUs without wingman and they are due on monday 10/9/07

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419741
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419748
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419751
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419754
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421383
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421389
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421414
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421416
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421418
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421425
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421428
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421429
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421430
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421433
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421434
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421436
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421438
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421442
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421445
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421446
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421447
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426669
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426866
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426870
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426874

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Craig Marsh


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've made these WUs a higher priority than the rest, which will cause them to be sent out first, as long as there isn't some other problem (which I suspect there might, considering there are at least 10 other active hosts with your HR class).
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2567 - Posted 7 Sep 2007 15:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 2566.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Theres 25 WUs without wingman and they are due on monday 10/9/07

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419741
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419748
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419751
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=419754
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421383
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421389
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421414
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421416
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421418
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421425
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421428
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421429
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421430
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421433
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421434
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421436
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421438
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421442
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421445
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421446
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=421447
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426669
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426866
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426870
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://cosmos.astro.uiuc.edu/cosmohome/workunit.php?wuid=426874

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks Craig Marsh


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've made these WUs a higher priority than the rest, which will cause them to be sent out first, as long as there isn't some other problem (which I suspect there might, considering there are at least 10 other active hosts with your HR class).


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Something squirrelly is still going on. I have 12 "unsents" on my P4/Linux machine now (should have matched up with Craigs). This machine has been doing pretty good until the last couple of days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My Xeon/Linux machine (2387) is still mess, 127 unsent WUs pending at the moment. I'm going to pull it off Cosmo for a couple of days and see if things clear out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2568 - Posted 7 Sep 2007 16:29:15 UTC - in response to Message 2567.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My Xeon/Linux machine (2387) is still mess, 127 unsent WUs pending at the moment. I'm going to pull it off Cosmo for a couple of days and see if things clear out.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wonder what distinguishes it from this machine of mine. The number of pending is very limited on that. Then again, it only runs Cosmology on 2 of its 4 cores. Would that be it, asking less work?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My Xeon/Linux machine (2387) is still mess, 127 unsent WUs pending at the moment. I'm going to pull it off Cosmo for a couple of days and see if things clear out.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I wonder what distinguishes it from this machine of mine. The number of pending is very limited on that. Then again, it only runs Cosmology on 2 of its 4 cores. Would that be it, asking less work?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Good question, they look similar. I have X5150's instead of the X3220's, but that shouldn't effect things that much. I was running all 4 cores on Cosmo, so it was kicking out 3+ WUs/hour (just asking for too much work?). Went back to running Darwin with 2 VM's running Linux. I'll see what happens.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2576 - Posted 8 Sep 2007 10:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 2570.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Good question, they look similar. I have X5150's instead of the X3220's, but that shouldn't effect things that much. I was running all 4 cores on Cosmo, so it was kicking out 3+ WUs/hour (just asking for too much work?). Went back to running Darwin with 2 VM's running Linux. I'll see what happens.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That is probably a good solution for the time being. 2 Linux VM's on the same machine that can serve as each other's wingman. 2 cores for each. I have tried the same, but my machine becomes too sluggish. A VM that uses 2 cores and another with 1, that works fine.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2577 - Posted 8 Sep 2007 11:16:01 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I took a "snapshot" of my Pending WUs on 09/06/2007, AM.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      321 WUs Pending: 156 were in progress, and 165 where unsent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When I checked these WUs this morning (09/08/2007), AM I found:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      59 were in progress, and 137 where unsent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From those numbers, I can see that of the original 321, 176
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      have completed (and are no longer pending), but only 28 of the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "unsents" were sent out in a 48 hour period.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In the same period of time my "unsent" count has went from 165
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      up to 176.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Note- This is just a guess, based on observation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It looks like the shared memory is not re-loading correctly.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This example shows what I think is happening. Block starting
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      with WU x is loaded and some WUs are sent. The block then
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      times-out and new data starting at WU y is loaded to replace
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      the "stale" data. This is done by Boinc to avoid having shmem
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      filled with WUs that are not needed by anyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem appears to be that when the block starting with
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      WU y times-out, instead of loading the unsent WUs from block
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      WUx+n, new WUs from block WU z are loaded.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2590 - Posted 9 Sep 2007 5:39:46 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My pending is growing again as well. And most of them have not been issued to another computer. Many were issued to me around Sept. 3rd. I am trying to slow down my biggest offending pc (Athlon XP 2400 running Windows) by crunching a little on another project to see if it helps at all.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2591 - Posted 9 Sep 2007 6:53:14 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The issue is not the PC, it's the project server. I don't think this is an HR issue.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2617 - Posted 10 Sep 2007 9:54:30 UTC - in response to Message 2566.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Theres 25 WUs without wingman and they are due on monday 10/9/07

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Craig Marsh


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've made these WUs a higher priority than the rest, which will cause them to be sent out first, as long as there isn't some other problem (which I suspect there might, considering there are at least 10 other active hosts with your HR class).



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm up to 38 WUs in pending now some are due 12/9/07

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The last two are waiting on a third partner ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm up to 38 WUs in pending now some are due 12/9/07


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't think it really matters when they are due if you have already turned the WU's in before the your Deadline. All you can do is wait for them to be sent out again or if a Wingman already has them then wait for him to run the WU.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2620 - Posted 10 Sep 2007 13:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 2591.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The issue is not the PC, it's the project server. I don't think this is an HR issue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not nessacarily a HR 'issue' as such but in my case it is a lack of other PC's.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                From what I can see AMD Opteron computers running Linux appear to be in their own class.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I run an AMD Opteron 285 running FC3 Linux.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Going through the BoincStats site list of computers I found 18 Linux Opteron computers,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hosts 1567, 251, 1571, 1025, 568, 1659, 795, 567, 1344, 807, 1681, 1913 all of which have not done any work for 1 week or more.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This leaves just 4 computers in my class that are currently 'active',
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hosts 1709, 2154, 2702 and 2573 (mine).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So I have now 141 Pending, to the value of 7,050 cobblestones (141 x50), all with unsent 'wingman' work units.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I will stop for a while for my pending to come down as they date back to the 28/8/07.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Need more active Opteron linux computers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2626 - Posted 10 Sep 2007 23:05:34 UTC - in response to Message 2620.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not nessacarily a HR 'issue' as such but in my case it is a lack of other PC's.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From what I can see AMD Opteron computers running Linux appear to be in their own class.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I run an AMD Opteron 285 running FC3 Linux.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Going through the BoincStats site list of computers I found 18 Linux Opteron computers,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hosts 1567, 251, 1571, 1025, 568, 1659, 795, 567, 1344, 807, 1681, 1913 all of which have not done any work for 1 week or more.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This leaves just 4 computers in my class that are currently 'active',
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hosts 1709, 2154, 2702 and 2573 (mine).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am the owner of the 2702 (AMD Opteron 175 running FC7). It has a few WUs pending "unsent", some for 10 days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was happy to find this thread, and to understand what is happening, thanks to all the explanations provided here about HR classes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I could have increased its resource sharing for Cosmo in order to increase its daily throughput, but unfortunately it started today suffering the same errors as described here therefore it would not be helpful.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I keep looking for a fix on this issue. In the meanwhile, I set it on "no new task" for Cosmo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Any suggestion will be appreciated :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On the good side of things it looks as if almost all my wingman-less WUs have finally been sent to others. Only one or two solo fliers right now. :)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On the good side of things it looks as if almost all my wingman-less WUs have finally been sent to others. Only one or two solo fliers right now. :)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The unsent wingman problem appears to be solved :) except when it is due to HR it seems. However my pending has gone through the roof lately ... looks like it is due to a lot of newer users not returning their results as fast as I have been used to....oh well in time
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2670 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 18:33:24 UTC - in response to Message 2654.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On the good side of things it looks as if almost all my wingman-less WUs have finally been sent to others. Only one or two solo fliers right now. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, I'm glad that something was fixed. =\
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2679 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 20:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 2670.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          On the good side of things it looks as if almost all my wingman-less WUs have finally been sent to others. Only one or two solo fliers right now. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, I\'m glad that something was fixed. =
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2766 - Posted 17 Sep 2007 1:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1767.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            One of my machines (host # 710) had the prob of unsent wu's a while back, and its happening again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            These have been pending for around 3 weeks now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Any chance of getting them looked at ?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2767 - Posted 17 Sep 2007 2:09:00 UTC - in response to Message 2766.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One of my machines (host # 710) had the prob of unsent wu's a while back, and its happening again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              These have been pending for around 3 weeks now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Any chance of getting them looked at ?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2772 - Posted 17 Sep 2007 5:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 2767.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                One of my machines (host # 710) had the prob of unsent wu's a while back, and its happening again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                These have been pending for around 3 weeks now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Any chance of getting them looked at ?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, I'll look into it.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Same request for host # 2702 : 6 WUs with the "unsent" problem.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Already got 20 or so unsent on this newly attached rig...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Might not be a problem, but all other rigs don't show any unsent wus.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2780 - Posted 17 Sep 2007 15:56:54 UTC - in response to Message 2776.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Already got 20 or so unsent on this newly attached rig...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Might not be a problem, but all other rigs don't show any unsent wus.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I would give it a couple more days. It looks like you were sent them just a few days ago yourself. I have some WUs that took about 10 days to send to another computer.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would give it a couple more days. It looks like you were sent them just a few days ago yourself. I have some WUs that took about 10 days to send to another computer.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      yea right, the other rigs show some unsent pending too...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      some wingmen appearing now...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2784 - Posted 17 Sep 2007 18:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 2780.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Already got 20 or so unsent on this newly attached rig...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Might not be a problem, but all other rigs don't show any unsent wus.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would give it a couple more days. It looks like you were sent them just a few days ago yourself. I have some WUs that took about 10 days to send to another computer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed. The oldest pending result for this particular host was received on the 15th (2 days ago), so I wouldn't worry. When you have pending WUs that are over 2 weeks old, that is indicative of a problem.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I was just a little curious because this host had pendings while the others didn't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But as stated before: all good. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know what you mean, seeing those wingmen working away is a big relief! :) Having them is a big improvement from the early, wild and woolly days of this project! ;)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hi all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I seem to have a lot of pending WU's that have not been sent out yet. They date all the way back to the end of August. Is there anything I should do?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=403660
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              and the list goes on... almost 1000 credits.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2799 - Posted 17 Sep 2007 23:19:44 UTC - in response to Message 2798.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hi all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I seem to have a lot of pending WU's that have not been sent out yet. They date all the way back to the end of August. Is there anything I should do?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                and the list goes on... almost 1000 credits.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That would seem to be a HR problem as you are using a Turion with Linux .Without checking don't think there are too many good matches for you.(Very few similar processor/op sys combinations) Nothing else you should do ...telling Scott was it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2800 - Posted 17 Sep 2007 23:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 2799.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I seem to have a lot of pending WU's that have not been sent out yet. They date all the way back to the end of August. Is there anything I should do?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=403660
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=404812

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and the list goes on... almost 1000 credits.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That would seem to be a HR problem as you are using a Turion with Linux .Without checking don't think there are too many good matches for you.(Very few similar processor/op sys combinations) Nothing else you should do ...telling Scott was it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Change operating systems;) But JRenkar is probably right that it is just a rare combination right now. If you know someone else who has the same type of set up ask them to join.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There's talk about Turions here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2810 - Posted 18 Sep 2007 15:13:36 UTC - in response to Message 2798.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi all,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I seem to have a lot of pending WU's that have not been sent out yet. They date all the way back to the end of August. Is there anything I should do?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=403660
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=404812

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and the list goes on... almost 1000 credits.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for your help.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Have the same problem with an AMD Opteron 285. Over 4000 claimed pending credits, but very few others to do all the 'unsent' workunits (about 140+).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A few get done every day or so, but I process more so pending increasing.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2811 - Posted 18 Sep 2007 15:21:56 UTC - in response to Message 2810.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ....Have the same problem with an AMD Opteron 285. Over 4000 claimed pending credits, but very few others to do all the 'unsent' workunits (about 140+).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A few get done every day or so, but I process more so pending increasing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fwiw, I have come to the conclusion that at this stage of this project, it is better to run a more common system, there is a greater likelihood that the work will be processed faster. It just depends on how patient you are it seems to me, and I personally like workunits that are verified quickly! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2813 - Posted 18 Sep 2007 16:05:47 UTC - in response to Message 2810.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Have the same problem with an AMD Opteron 285. Over 4000 claimed pending credits, but very few others to do all the 'unsent' workunits (about 140+).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A few get done every day or so, but I process more so pending increasing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You might want to slow down some. It seems that there are only 2 or 3 other people that are crunching with a similar set-up. And they do not seem to be crunching nearly as much as you do. I suggest slowing down because last time there was a big issue with WUs not being sent out, they stopped generating WUs and once it got down to a smaller amount of wingmanless WUs, the rest were cancelled. I don't know if this would happen again or not. I know I lost hundreds of credits that day. So now if I see my pending creep higher, I crunch a little something else to give others a chance to crunch those WUs.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2833 - Posted 19 Sep 2007 3:19:07 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've got some that have been pending 2 weeks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not an unusual CPU/OS combo I would think. Intel T2300 (it's a Core) and Windows or Linux (same computer, dual boot).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And a couple that the wingman didn't return (deadline was only a few days ago, so probably no big deal)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2835 - Posted 19 Sep 2007 4:31:24 UTC - in response to Message 2813.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Have the same problem with an AMD Opteron 285. Over 4000 claimed pending credits, but very few others to do all the 'unsent' workunits (about 140+).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A few get done every day or so, but I process more so pending increasing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You might want to slow down some. It seems that there are only 2 or 3 other people that are crunching with a similar set-up. And they do not seem to be crunching nearly as much as you do. I suggest slowing down because last time there was a big issue with WUs not being sent out, they stopped generating WUs and once it got down to a smaller amount of wingmanless WUs, the rest were cancelled. I don't know if this would happen again or not. I know I lost hundreds of credits that day. So now if I see my pending creep higher, I crunch a little something else to give others a chance to crunch those WUs.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Have now set Boinc Manager to "No New Tasks". Will wait and see what happens.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2855 - Posted 19 Sep 2007 16:42:53 UTC - in response to Message 2835.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Have now set Boinc Manager to "No New Tasks". Will wait and see what happens.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm joining Conan on this. I recruited several of my teammates who have identical CPU/OS and my Pendings are still increasing, even though I had only a couple of cores running this project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The process that decides whether / when / how many new WU's to generate as opposed to sending out completed work for validation is essentially not working or at least not working very well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm pleased to see the web site upgrades, but it's the wrong priority at this time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2857 - Posted 19 Sep 2007 17:56:46 UTC - in response to Message 2855.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Have now set Boinc Manager to "No New Tasks". Will wait and see what happens.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm joining Conan on this. I recruited several of my teammates who have identical CPU/OS and my Pendings are still increasing, even though I had only a couple of cores running this project.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have only been participating in this project for three weeks and while I have more pending credits than granted and some of the first work I submitted three weeks ago is still pending, I don't see this as an unsolvable issue. So, my cores crunch away, cause if all that pending gets assigned in one day, wowzer what a day my stats will have ;)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2864 - Posted 19 Sep 2007 19:09:38 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think what we need is more participants with more rigs - not rigs beeing pulled out of the race 'cause Rac rises slowly...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    More people (computers) = higher chance to get things done quick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BUT: if the db gets too big 'cause nothing get's done, someone has to think about the HR thingy...
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2886 - Posted 21 Sep 2007 6:16:36 UTC - in response to Message 2857.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Have now set Boinc Manager to "No New Tasks". Will wait and see what happens.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm joining Conan on this. I recruited several of my teammates who have identical CPU/OS and my Pendings are still increasing, even though I had only a couple of cores running this project.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have only been participating in this project for three weeks and while I have more pending credits than granted and some of the first work I submitted three weeks ago is still pending, I don't see this as an unsolvable issue. So, my cores crunch away, cause if all that pending gets assigned in one day, wowzer what a day my stats will have ;)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I believe it will be resolved but at the moment my HR queue is going nowhere.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When I posted my total was 4,400 with 147 pending (unsent at that stage).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well I still have 4,400 and 147 pending 2 days later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The question I have is this, Do we need this many different HR groups?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      AMD Opterons and AMD Athlons (and particuarly the X2 chips) I thought were roughly the same, so what in the calculations causes them to be different?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If I was able I would add another 2, at least, Opteron computers that I have but can't afford to run, in the hope of getting the pendings down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If as has been suspected the work generator is just issuing new WU's instead of ones already allocated, then it would be a waste of time till it is fixed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2888 - Posted 21 Sep 2007 15:01:05 UTC - in response to Message 2886.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here's a similar problem with Turions:
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2890 - Posted 21 Sep 2007 16:03:06 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Update on HR Issues:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          After the server upgrade, the hr.C file was accidentally overwritten, so the HR classes were back to the defaults. I just now recompiled the feeder with the new HR classes, and I also did the following:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1) Changed the Opteron to be equivalent to the Athlon 64.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2) Updated the hr_class of all workunits in the DB to properly reflect the new HR classes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The change should alleviate some of the issues that are happening now, including the lack of work available for some users. This, coupled with me making results older than a week higher priority than the rest, should reduce the number of pending/unsent results.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also: the website upgrade had been in progress for a while and was being worked on by someone other than me. The effect on my work was minimal.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The server seems to not be sending the oldest 1st still...my 15 oldest results all sit unsent with no wingman for up to 4 days now on common cpu types/os p4 and xeon /xp fyi
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My oldest unsent pending dates back to 30th August and it's a linux/Athlon XP 2400.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My pending has grown a lot in that past couple of days. The recent ones I am not to concerned about. However I have several older ones that are hanging again. Some were not completed in time by the wingman. Anyway I keep an eye on the newer growing pending WUs to see if they get resent. (some have already been sent)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Scott, this seem to show a WU canceled for "redundant result" with an unsent wu still in the workunit.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm experimenting with the feeder options right now. I'm using "priority_order_create_time", but that doesn't seem to be doing the job. I'll try just priority_order for now and see if I can't get the high-priority results to be sent.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Scott, Does posting individual results unsent like this help you track down the feeder problem? Or can you view at will the oldest unsent results?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm experimenting with the feeder options right now. I'm using "priority_order_create_time", but that doesn't seem to be doing the job. I'll try just priority_order for now and see if I can't get the high-priority results to be sent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you are talking about feeder command line options, neither "-priority_order" nor "-priority_order_create_time" have any affect when homogeneous_redundancy is enabled if I read feeder.C correctly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What confuses me even more is that if homogeneous_redundancy is set, feeder.C invokes DB_WORK_ITEM::enumerate_all instead of DB_WORK_ITEM::enumerate which would take the order_clause, and DB_WORK_ITEM::enumerate_all seems to walk forward through the job list by keeping track of the last unit fetched giving little chance of getting old wu's unless the feeder makes a complete pass through the file.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyway, I am no boinc expert but it seems to me that https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/12988 with HR enabled would cause ... well, what we are seeing. The comment in the changeset
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          However I have several older ones that are hanging again. Some were not completed in time by the wingman.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Here is one of several that were not completed in time by the wingman http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=429065

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My pending is growing again as well. And most of them have not been issued to another computer. Many were issued to me around Sept. 3rd. I am trying to slow down my biggest offending pc (Athlon XP 2400 running Windows) by crunching a little on another project to see if it helps at all.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Greetings, I just joined this project over the weekend to support my team and it looks like some of my Athlon XPs has been matched up with your's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The only down side I can see is that it's only newer work not the older ones you have. I'm only part time until the end of the month (team blitz on another project) but, after then I play here for a bit. And with some luck maybe some of my 6 Athlon XP systems (3658, 3657, 3656, 3655, 3654, and 3649) will help chip away the back log.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2930 - Posted 25 Sep 2007 3:09:59 UTC - in response to Message 2929.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My pending is growing again as well. And most of them have not been issued to another computer. Many were issued to me around Sept. 3rd. I am trying to slow down my biggest offending pc (Athlon XP 2400 running Windows) by crunching a little on another project to see if it helps at all.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Greetings, I just joined this project over the weekend to support my team and it looks like some of my Athlon XPs has been matched up with your's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The only down side I can see is that it's only newer work not the older ones you have. I'm only part time until the end of the month (team blitz on another project) but, after then I play here for a bit. And with some luck maybe some of my 6 Athlon XP systems (3658, 3657, 3656, 3655, 3654, and 3649) will help chip away the back log.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Welcome aboard Dusty33! See here for the latest list of HR classes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              edit well sorta but Scott has combined some
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                P.S. Is the HR Classes posted? I'm wondering if "AuthenticAMD
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I had an overclocked XP-M running linux but pulled it due to lack of similar
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I just went thru about 6-7 WU's on my pending list and was amazed to see 6 WU with wingmen with 60 to 100+ WU's downloaded waiting to run, in this day of DSL why dnld that many? I wonder how this affects the "Pending Because Work Unit Remains "Unsent" problem. I noticed 2 wingmen on my pending list don't appear to be crunching, does anyone know if the French team came back?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2939 - Posted 25 Sep 2007 20:34:32 UTC - in response to Message 2926.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm experimenting with the feeder options right now. I'm using "priority_order_create_time", but that doesn't seem to be doing the job. I'll try just priority_order for now and see if I can't get the high-priority results to be sent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you are talking about feeder command line options, neither "-priority_order" nor "-priority_order_create_time" have any affect when homogeneous_redundancy is enabled if I read feeder.C correctly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What confuses me even more is that if homogeneous_redundancy is set, feeder.C invokes DB_WORK_ITEM::enumerate_all instead of DB_WORK_ITEM::enumerate which would take the order_clause, and DB_WORK_ITEM::enumerate_all seems to walk forward through the job list by keeping track of the last unit fetched giving little chance of getting old wu's unless the feeder makes a complete pass through the file.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyway, I am no boinc expert but it seems to me that https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/12988 with HR enabled would cause ... well, what we are seeing. The comment in the changeset
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    With extremely minimal testing, the new HR stuff seems to work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    doesn't instill confidence either ;)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's not a permanent fix, but I'm going to add the order clause to the enumerate_all function to see if that helps out the problem.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's not a permanent fix, but I'm going to add the order clause to the enumerate_all function to see if that helps out the problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That might work but I would still be concerned with the "and r1.id>start_id" clause in enumerate_all. I don't have enough exposure to the boinc code to know if it is safe to just call enumerate instead of enumerate_all even if HR is enabled, but that would be my initial hunch to take you back to the behavior you had before the june patch.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2942 - Posted 26 Sep 2007 0:19:01 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        it seems to be working, at least for me anyway. my oldest unsent work units (Sept 14) are now being (re)issued to other computers. thanks!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2943 - Posted 26 Sep 2007 6:36:32 UTC - in response to Message 2890.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Update on HR Issues:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          After the server upgrade, the hr.C file was accidentally overwritten, so the HR classes were back to the defaults. I just now recompiled the feeder with the new HR classes, and I also did the following:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1) Changed the Opteron to be equivalent to the Athlon 64.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2) Updated the hr_class of all workunits in the DB to properly reflect the new HR classes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The change should alleviate some of the issues that are happening now, including the lack of work available for some users. This, coupled with me making results older than a week higher priority than the rest, should reduce the number of pending/unsent results.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also: the website upgrade had been in progress for a while and was being worked on by someone other than me. The effect on my work was minimal.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks Scott, This now appears to be working, at least in part. WU's back to the 16th are now being reissued. The ones I have back to the 30/8 are still waiting but we will see.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My pending is coming down after hitting over 150 WU's (over 7,500 credits), thanks to the Athlon/X2 computers joining in.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2944 - Posted 26 Sep 2007 10:45:49 UTC - in response to Message 2943.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you very much for the solution, my Turion64 results were assigned to Athlon 64s.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Well, some good news before I go to class. Awesome.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It seems things are getting better. This is the first time my number of "unsents" has not increased.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                However, I still have 6 that have been hanging around almost a month now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                All are Intel P4/Linux, which shouldn't be that rare.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                870438, 414248, 27 Aug 2007 18:01:57, 29 Aug 2007 18:32:44,414248
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                872846, 415452, 27 Aug 2007 18:26:39, 01 Sep 2007 10:01:40,415452
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                880091, 418998, 30 Aug 2007 02:33:01, 02 Sep 2007 12:35:18,418998
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                894159, 425951, 01 Sep 2007 07:35:21, 05 Sep 2007 00:50:22,425951
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                900565, 429071, 02 Sep 2007 22:18:51, 05 Sep 2007 05:51:37,429071
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2957 - Posted 26 Sep 2007 19:36:15 UTC - in response to Message 2956.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It seems things are getting better. This is the first time my number of "unsents" has not increased.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ... snip ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  However, I still have 6 that have been hanging around almost a month now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  All are Intel P4/Linux, which shouldn't be that rare.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  None of mine from August have been touched either, not from the p3/linux nor the p4/linux. The only credit I received today has been from http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=458978 where my p4 verified the work of someone else's p4 from almost exactly 2 weeks ago. I am still getting almost exclusively new (generated yesterday or today) work. The month old stuff ( like http://www.cosmologyathome.org/workunit.php?wuid=407621 ) is still waiting.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Fast approaching 200 unsent, mostly done with sempron/linux boxes, some nearly 1 month old. It's quite discouraging, in fact no new work has been requested for these combo's since the 22nd in order to use up remaining work in the cache, then on to another project until the issue is resolved.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Have added a more conventional x2/win box.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Going to shut down work generation until some time tomorrow until old WUs get a chance to be crunched.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2964 - Posted 28 Sep 2007 3:31:04 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Apologies,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Earlier this evening I turned on one of my Pentium D dual core (3662) to help out, well 10 min ago it's PSU just blew. Don't know what else got cooked either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @Wingmen - It's going to be a few days before I can get to it.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2970 - Posted 28 Sep 2007 21:59:42 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Scott,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Anything you can do about these:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cosmologyathome.org/results.php?hostid=3062&offset=60
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cosmologyathome.org/results.php?hostid=3062&offset=80
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cosmologyathome.org/results.php?hostid=3062&offset=100

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          or these:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cosmologyathome.org/results.php?hostid=2621&offset=60
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cosmologyathome.org/results.php?hostid=2621&offset=80
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cosmologyathome.org/results.php?hostid=2621&offset=100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cosmologyathome.org/results.php?hostid=2621&offset=120

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2976 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 8:11:10 UTC - in response to Message 2970.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Arcturus, I hope I will get your WUs soon ... I have allowed work on my AthlonXP/Linux again and I'm getting old WUs from different crunchers now. I have many pendings as well, I hope we can help each other to finish them all :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hopefully others with the same platform will do the same to speed it up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Keep crunching,
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2977 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 16:39:56 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              All my pendings, except for a couple of the most recent ones, have been sent out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for all of your work.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 2978 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 18:43:53 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well, all the AMDs found their wingman - but the (much faster) Q6600 and X5355 ran dry...


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2979 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 19:01:37 UTC - in response to Message 2978.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, all the AMDs found their wingman - but the (much faster) Q6600 and X5355 ran dry...



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yep, isn´t it cool... :(
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 2980 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 19:32:43 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My AMD 5000 2 core 64 bits-Linux machine still waits for a wingman.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have taken it of the project since it is the only one in its class apparently.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, all the AMDs found their wingman - but the (much faster) Q6600 and X5355 ran dry...




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yep, isn´t it cool... :(



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Even the Turion64/win ran dry now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Time to start the Splitter (or whatever the work-creation-task is called)....


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2983 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 21:02:28 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Still over 1900 ready to send...wonder which os/cpu those are...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 2984 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 21:17:18 UTC - in response to Message 2983.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Still over 1900 ready to send...wonder which os/cpu those are...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe for Amiga Workbench/Motorola 68EC020... ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 2985 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 21:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 2984.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Still over 1900 ready to send...wonder which os/cpu those are...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe for Amiga Workbench/Motorola 68EC020... ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know they are not:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Intel Q6600, Windows
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Intel P4-D, Windows
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            AMD x000+ X2, Linux
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Intel P4, Linux

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ah- I booted up my laptop and got WUs for Intel Pentium-M, Windows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It can also get work booted into Linux.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 2986 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 21:38:10 UTC - in response to Message 2985.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Still over 1900 ready to send...wonder which os/cpu those are...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe for Amiga Workbench/Motorola 68EC020... ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I know they are not:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Intel Q6600, Windows
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ah- I booted up my laptop and got WUs for Intel Pentium-M, Windows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It can also get work booted into Linux.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Where they old-uns Mike that you filled out someones wing?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe for Amiga Workbench/Motorola 68EC020... ;-)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sould I get my Palmax (Cyrix-low-power-whatever-cpu) running now?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Or the MicroVAX...?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 2990 - Posted 29 Sep 2007 22:43:45 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'll attach my old Pentium M 800mhz XP laptop.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well, that wasn't it. I am also getting the "work committed to other platforms" message with my Pentium M/Xp machine.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 2993 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 0:58:57 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I just hooked up an old 400 MHz Pentium II (don't laugh...too much) with Linux and got some work.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 2999 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 8:55:22 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have an AMD X2/4600 running Kubuntu 7.04 (64bit linux) and it still has around 100 WU's pending and marked 'Unsent'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This machine has only ever had 18 granted in the last few weeks - all the rest are dumped into pending - so this is one of the machines waiting for the unsent WU's to go out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3000 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 9:48:37 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Windows / AMDAthlonXP
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Windows / AMDAthlonMP
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Windows / IntelCore2
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          these all seem to get "Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)", so they should all have wingmen by now.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          PS. Scott, could you please look into the AthlonMP? it still seems to be classified as AMDAthlonMP instead of AMDAthlonXP.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3001 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 11:02:38 UTC - in response to Message 2999.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have an AMD X2/4600 running Kubuntu 7.04 (64bit linux) and it still has around 100 WU's pending and marked 'Unsent'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This machine has only ever had 18 granted in the last few weeks - all the rest are dumped into pending - so this is one of the machines waiting for the unsent WU's to go out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Machine ID: 3568


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well....maybe we'll have a match,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'll turn my AMD X2/5000 running Ubuntu Feisty back on the project to see if this helps

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3002 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 11:09:52 UTC - in response to Message 3001.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have an AMD X2/4600 running Kubuntu 7.04 (64bit linux) and it still has around 100 WU's pending and marked 'Unsent'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This machine has only ever had 18 granted in the last few weeks - all the rest are dumped into pending - so this is one of the machines waiting for the unsent WU's to go out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Machine ID: 3568


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Well....maybe we'll have a match,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'll turn my AMD X2/5000 running Ubuntu Feisty back on the project to see if this helps


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'll got 6 instandly.....you found your wingman!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I hope to get a wingman to..............

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3005 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 13:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 3002.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have an AMD X2/4600 running Kubuntu 7.04 (64bit linux) and it still has around 100 WU's pending and marked 'Unsent'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This machine has only ever had 18 granted in the last few weeks - all the rest are dumped into pending - so this is one of the machines waiting for the unsent WU's to go out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well....maybe we'll have a match,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'll turn my AMD X2/5000 running Ubuntu Feisty back on the project to see if this helps


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'll got 6 instandly.....you found your wingman!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That is very strange. I've got 3 AMD X2 Linux machines that have been out of work for 12 hours now. I just tried to force an update, and get the "no work from project" msg. Tried a Project Reset, still no work. ????????????
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3011 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 14:53:17 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Over the last 2 days my pending has dropped from about 157 WU's down to 50. Of that 50, 6 still remain 'unsent', but they will be picked up in another day I expect. It has helped my score from 4,400 to 11,400.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  By the way I am running Linux on an AMD Opteron.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Scott added Athlon/X2 computers into this mix and I have also noticed 64 bit systems which are now all doing this work and dropping the queue very quickly.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It is better than a week ago when I waited for 2 days just to see my total go up by 50 points (1 WU).
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3012 - Posted 30 Sep 2007 15:01:50 UTC - in response to Message 3000.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Windows / AMDAthlonXP
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    these all seem to get "Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)", so they should all have wingmen by now.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PS. Scott, could you please look into the AthlonMP? it still seems to be classified as AMDAthlonMP instead of AMDAthlonXP.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think that happenned with the server upgrade...Scott's previous modifications got erased and he hasn't changed them all yet

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That is very strange. I've got 3 AMD X2 Linux machines that have been out of work for 12 hours now. I just tried to force an update, and get the "no work from project" msg. Tried a Project Reset, still no work. ????????????


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Strange indeed. (is it 64 bit ???)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My queue filled up with 25 Cosmo-wu's in a short while and then I stopped intake because there are a lot of ABC-wu's to do on this machine.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Linux/AMD XP dating back to the end of August - start of September are still unsent .

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Linux/AMD XP dating back to the end of August - start of September are still unsent .


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm sure teemac can help me out there..........
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            A couple of things:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1) I was gone this weekend for my brother's wedding, so I wasn't able to do any work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2) I wanted to let the queue run dry and see what WUs are left over. Right now, I'm taking a look at the database to see if there is any relationship between the unsent WUs. As soon as that's done, I'm going to turn work generation back on (it will be tonight, I promise!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry for not communicating this to you guys earlier, but as you can imagine, my weekend has been extremely hectic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A couple of things:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1) I was gone this weekend for my brother's wedding, so I wasn't able to do any work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2) I wanted to let the queue run dry and see what WUs are left over. Right now, I'm taking a look at the database to see if there is any relationship between the unsent WUs. As soon as that's done, I'm going to turn work generation back on (it will be tonight, I promise!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sorry for not communicating this to you guys earlier, but as you can imagine, my weekend has been extremely hectic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I believe a brothers wedding is an acceptable excuse! :D (we really need smileys)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Edit:9/30/2007 8:35:53 PM|Cosmology@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              9/30/2007 8:35:53 PM|Cosmology@Home|Requesting 36980 seconds of new work
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              9/30/2007 8:35:59 PM|Cosmology@Home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 601]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              9/30/2007 8:35:59 PM|Cosmology@Home|Message from server: No work sent
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              9/30/2007 8:35:59 PM|Cosmology@Home|Reason: no work from project


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A couple of things:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1) I was gone this weekend for my brother's wedding, so I wasn't able to do any work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2) I wanted to let the queue run dry and see what WUs are left over. Right now, I'm taking a look at the database to see if there is any relationship between the unsent WUs. As soon as that's done, I'm going to turn work generation back on (it will be tonight, I promise!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sorry for not communicating this to you guys earlier, but as you can imagine, my weekend has been extremely hectic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                EDIT: Work generation is back on as of 8:25 PM CST.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yea! Can you tell us the reason as to why there were still about 1,500 WUs left to be sent but weren't? Is it an HR issue? What are the classes that are under-represented?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3036 - Posted 1 Oct 2007 20:31:22 UTC - in response to Message 3030.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A couple of things:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1) I was gone this weekend for my brother's wedding, so I wasn't able to do any work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2) I wanted to let the queue run dry and see what WUs are left over. Right now, I'm taking a look at the database to see if there is any relationship between the unsent WUs. As soon as that's done, I'm going to turn work generation back on (it will be tonight, I promise!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry for not communicating this to you guys earlier, but as you can imagine, my weekend has been extremely hectic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  EDIT: Work generation is back on as of 8:25 PM CST.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yea! Can you tell us the reason as to why there were still about 1,500 WUs left to be sent but weren't? Is it an HR issue? What are the classes that are under-represented?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It was an HR issue, yes. Some of the more rare classes (Pentium 1-3) had some leftover WUs. However, there were also two more problems:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1) Generic CPU classifications (i.e. "Intel", "AMD", "AMDAthlon") had a bunch of unsent results. That's mostly due to the failure of the system to identify certain processors correctly. Therefore, I combined these generic classifications with their more common counterparts (i.e. AthlonXP, Pentium4, etc). This will probably slightly increase the invalidation rate, but it should create too big a problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2) There were left-over WUs from the merging of HR classes earlier, like Sempron, Duron, and Opteron. I corrected these, and gave them a high priority, so they should be crunched soon.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3038 - Posted 1 Oct 2007 20:50:12 UTC - in response to Message 3036.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1) ...This will probably slightly increase the invalidation rate, but it should create too big a problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not a problem for YOU, but nobody likes running a 6-hour WU just to get a validation error that results from two computers not agreeing with each other. I predict that if this happens folks will look elsewhere to more fruitfully spend their cpu cycles, especially if they are interested in credits as most people are (IMO).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3039 - Posted 1 Oct 2007 21:09:38 UTC - in response to Message 3036.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1) Generic CPU classifications (i.e. "Intel", "AMD", "AMDAthlon") had a bunch of unsent results. That's mostly due to the failure of the system to identify certain processors correctly. Therefore, I combined these generic classifications with their more common counterparts (i.e. AthlonXP, Pentium4, etc). This will probably slightly increase the invalidation rate, but it should create too big a problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I ran my machine with 13k backlog through the HR classification algorithm and found out that indeed, it was classified as "intel", but then again, so were another 4 or 5 machines. The good news is it is down to 12k backlog. The bad news is it is still only getting NEW work, and old work is not being validated. It is almost as if the only work that is getting validated is that which is assigned to two machines during the brief interval that the WU is in shared memory. This shouldn't be a problem for machines with common HR classes as the backlog builds slowly. It was a bigger problem for machines with uncommon HR classes. Changing the HR class won't convince the scheduler to give out old work before it gives out new work...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1) ...This will probably slightly increase the invalidation rate, but it should create too big a problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Not a problem for YOU, but nobody likes running a 6-hour WU just to get a validation error that results from two computers not agreeing with each other. I predict that if this happens folks will look elsewhere to more fruitfully spend their cpu cycles, especially if they are interested in credits as most people are (IMO).


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3042 - Posted 1 Oct 2007 23:38:32 UTC - in response to Message 3041.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1) ...This will probably slightly increase the invalidation rate, but it should create too big a problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not a problem for YOU, but nobody likes running a 6-hour WU just to get a validation error that results from two computers not agreeing with each other. I predict that if this happens folks will look elsewhere to more fruitfully spend their cpu cycles, especially if they are interested in credits as most people are (IMO).


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credits are already artificially higher here, to account for issues like this.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          For now, but eventually -- if the kinks aren't worked out properly when we move away from alpha/beta -- people will come here to test the waters and decide to swim somewhere else. Not a good way to build a large host base to support the project objectives.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3043 - Posted 2 Oct 2007 0:57:54 UTC - in response to Message 3042.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1) ...This will probably slightly increase the invalidation rate, but it should create too big a problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not a problem for YOU, but nobody likes running a 6-hour WU just to get a validation error that results from two computers not agreeing with each other. I predict that if this happens folks will look elsewhere to more fruitfully spend their cpu cycles, especially if they are interested in credits as most people are (IMO).


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credits are already artificially higher here, to account for issues like this.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            For now, but eventually -- if the kinks aren't worked out properly when we move away from alpha/beta -- people will come here to test the waters and decide to swim somewhere else. Not a good way to build a large host base to support the project objectives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well sure, but no one said that this kink won't get solved eventually. If all the kinks were all already fixed, it wouldn't be called alpha. For now, while it *is* alpha, the project is being very generous with the points. With most other projects, loss of points is to be expected, *without* any kind of offsetting credits.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's been said before but I will say it again. Alpha projects are in the testing phase. It will have bugs and glitches. If the thought of losing credit to a glitch or bug bothers you, why not crunch for a stable project. Once the bugs are out of this one and it becomes a fully functional project, rejoin.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't like losing my crunching time to an error but I can deal with it. If I lost points on a regular basis, I might consider another project. I lost hundreds of credits during the last HR crisis. That sucked. But it happens. Life goes on. Either here or in another project.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It is almost as if the only work that is getting validated is that which is assigned to two machines during the brief interval that the WU is in shared memory. This shouldn't be a problem for machines with common HR classes as the backlog builds slowly. It was a bigger problem for machines with uncommon HR classes. Changing the HR class won't convince the scheduler to give out old work before it gives out new work...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Exactly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I pulled my 2 sempron/linux boxes 10 days ago to crunch Rosetta because of this.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Clearly whatever is being done isn't working.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's been said before but I will say it again. Alpha projects are in the testing phase. It will have bugs and glitches. If the thought of losing credit to a glitch or bug bothers you, why not crunch for a stable project.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I didn't say or imply losing credit bothers me or anyone else, I said people will not like wasting cpu cycles that lead to invalid results that cannot be used. Everyone's threshold is different but I believe people will not tolerate too many invalid results before moving to another project. A few invalids may not bother the project team, but will annoy individual participants.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That statement leaves a bad taste in my mouth; I'm no quitter and your implication may be condescending.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...If I lost points on a regular basis, I might consider another project. I lost hundreds of credits during the last HR crisis. That sucked. But it happens. Life goes on. Either here or in another project.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So credit matters? But invalids don't bother you?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's been said before but I will say it again. Alpha projects are in the testing phase. It will have bugs and glitches. If the thought of losing credit to a glitch or bug bothers you, why not crunch for a stable project.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I didn't say or imply losing credit bothers me or anyone else, I said people will not like wasting cpu cycles that lead to invalid results that cannot be used. Everyone's threshold is different but I believe people will not tolerate too many invalid results before moving to another project. A few invalids may not bother the project team, but will annoy individual participants.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That statement leaves a bad taste in my mouth; I'm no quitter and your implication may be condescending.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ...If I lost points on a regular basis, I might consider another project. I lost hundreds of credits during the last HR crisis. That sucked. But it happens. Life goes on. Either here or in another project.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So credit matters? But invalids don't bother you?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    At this point in the project Scott's main focus is to get a stand alone version of windows camb to work and that very well may solve many of the HR issues.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What he was saying is those HR classes that have very few users would be combined so that the pending doesn't stay outstanding forever and WILL PROBABLY produce invalid results not WILL DEFINATELY. Instead of putting the cart before the horse lets wait and see what happens before jumping on this possible issue as no one has reported an invalid result yet. Thank-you

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3061 - Posted 2 Oct 2007 21:29:45 UTC - in response to Message 3059.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's been said before but I will say it again. Alpha projects are in the testing phase. It will have bugs and glitches. If the thought of losing credit to a glitch or bug bothers you, why not crunch for a stable project.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I didn't say or imply losing credit bothers me or anyone else, I said people will not like wasting cpu cycles that lead to invalid results that cannot be used. Everyone's threshold is different but I believe people will not tolerate too many invalid results before moving to another project. A few invalids may not bother the project team, but will annoy individual participants.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Once the bugs are out of this one and it becomes a fully functional project, rejoin.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That statement leaves a bad taste in my mouth; I'm no quitter and your implication may be condescending.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ...If I lost points on a regular basis, I might consider another project. I lost hundreds of credits during the last HR crisis. That sucked. But it happens. Life goes on. Either here or in another project.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So credit matters? But invalids don't bother you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I might not have said what I wanted to say exactly the way it might have sounded. I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I was merely trying to state that things happen for one reason or another. Crunching time may be lost. But in the Alpha phase we are, at least in part, trying to shake out the bugs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I didn't mean to imply you are a quitter. There is one project that I used to run for a while but I often had WUs that would stall. It did annoy me because my pc was essentially inactive. After a while of this happening, I did leave. I still go back now and then to see if the bugs are worked out. But in the mean time I crunch on other projects. If they get their WUs to work properly more often I will crunch more then.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The amount of Credit doesn't matter as much to me. I do like having some kind of mark/counter to see my contribution to the project as long as it were fair. Invalids can be annoying if you had a valid result and it was voided. Kinda falls in the same group as WUs that get hung up. I likely misunderstood what you were saying about invalid results and thought you were complaining about 0 credit only. I was late and my brain was only half on.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It is almost as if the only work that is getting validated is that which is assigned to two machines during the brief interval that the WU is in shared memory. This shouldn't be a problem for machines with common HR classes as the backlog builds slowly. It was a bigger problem for machines with uncommon HR classes. Changing the HR class won't convince the scheduler to give out old work before it gives out new work...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I pulled my 2 sempron/linux boxes 10 days ago to crunch Rosetta because of this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        10 days later STILL no dent in pending, 147 WU's remain unsent yet I see other pc's with the same HR (sempron/linux) getting NEW work units.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Clearly whatever is being done isn't working.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am supprised at this arcturus, I was also having problems with my Opteron on Linux and after getting the Athons/X2's added to my HR group all my 157 unsent WU's have been finally been teamed with someone and have been processed.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Scott may have to look at the Sempron/Linux as a separate issue perhaps?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          At this point in the project Scott's main focus is to get a stand alone version of windows camb to work and that very well may solve many of the HR issues.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ahmm, does that 'stand alone' mean without BOINC?



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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            At this point in the project Scott's main focus is to get a stand alone version of windows camb to work and that very well may solve many of the HR issues.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ahmm, does that 'stand alone' mean without BOINC?





                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LOL NO! Right now it is a fortran program with a Boinc windows wrapper around it. Thats why the checkpoints are internal to the program and not displayed in Boinc and no progress bar. By stand alone I meant a windows version totally integrated with Boinc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Edit-I apologize for assuming everyone knew what I was talking about with stand-alone because I forgot there are a lot of new users here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LOL NO! Right now it is a fortran program with a Boinc windows wrapper around it. Thats why the checkpoints are internal to the program and not displayed in Boinc and no progress bar. By stand alone I meant a windows version totally integrated with Boinc.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              OK, "stand alone" doesn't mean the same everywhere... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Using a wrapper isn't neccessarily the cause for not having a progress bar - look at Riesel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not a programmer, I just wonder if it might be easier to improve the wrapper so it passes the status on to boinc?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3094 - Posted 4 Oct 2007 2:18:29 UTC - in response to Message 3071.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ..I'm not a programmer, I just wonder if it might be easier to improve the wrapper so it passes the status on to boinc?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's what I was wondering, and I know Scott has spent hours and hours on trying to create a native BOINC Windows client (for more than a month, I believe). Your suggestion appears to make sense, so Scott can move onto other project priorities.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Of course, just imho! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3100 - Posted 4 Oct 2007 3:52:18 UTC - in response to Message 3094.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ..I'm not a programmer, I just wonder if it might be easier to improve the wrapper so it passes the status on to boinc?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's what I was wondering, and I know Scott has spent hours and hours on trying to create a native BOINC Windows client (for more than a month, I believe). Your suggestion appears to make sense, so Scott can move onto other project priorities.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Of course, just imho! ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually, the code I have works just fine. The problem we're having is with the free Windows Fortran 90 compilers we were attempting to use (none of them seem to work very well at all, or at least as nicely as they do on Linux). However, just recently we purchased a brand, spanking new version of the Intel Fortran Compiler for Windows, so we should be moving along nicely!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Scott may have to look at the Sempron/Linux as a separate issue perhaps?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can only hope.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ..However, just recently we purchased a brand, spanking new version of the Intel Fortran Compiler for Windows, so we should be moving along nicely!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That is great news indeed! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Any idea when we might have the app to test ourselves?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        However, just recently we purchased a brand, spanking new version of the Intel Fortran Compiler for Windows, so we should be moving along nicely!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Schould give us a little better performance too - at least on Intel cpus...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If so, you also need a Linux version. :)



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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3143 - Posted 7 Oct 2007 18:16:50 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This wingman downloaded 26 wu's sept 27 and has only returned 4 with the rest having a oct 7 (today) deadline. How many times are the wu's reissued or aborted from "no reply" from wingmen ? I guess in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter as long as the quorum is finally met and the wu is used.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3158 - Posted 8 Oct 2007 4:23:23 UTC - in response to Message 3126.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ..However, just recently we purchased a brand, spanking new version of the Intel Fortran Compiler for Windows, so we should be moving along nicely!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That is great news indeed! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Any idea when we might have the app to test ourselves?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As soon as I'm able to get the BOINC fortran interface working in Windows. I swear, portability is the most frustrating aspect of programming, even more than memory management.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3186 - Posted 9 Oct 2007 23:53:01 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'd sure like to put a period ("full stop" if you're British) to this topic. Since the last stoppage for general catch-up a week or so ago, the mechanism for distributing completed WU's to be validated << SEEMS >> to be working better. It may just be me, but it seems as though work is getting validated faster. I find my boxen working about as much on validating as original work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If it's luck, well, lucky me! If it's something Scott did, good job!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3187 - Posted 10 Oct 2007 0:50:36 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Common hardware/software hosts seem to be validating promptly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Try this for size though running Linux:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    These are overclocked Athlon XP processors, mainly XP-M (mobiles) but not exclusively. My host (3330) and host 3683 are the ONLY wingmen for each other.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'd like to take this opportunity to thank him :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3204 - Posted 11 Oct 2007 6:45:35 UTC - in response to Message 3187.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Common hardware/software hosts seem to be validating promptly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Try this for size though running Linux:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      These are overclocked Athlon XP processors, mainly XP-M (mobiles) but not exclusively. My host (3330) and host 3683 are the ONLY wingmen for each other.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'd like to take this opportunity to thank him :)



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, I tried to be partner for your host 3330:
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3206 - Posted 11 Oct 2007 9:36:04 UTC - in response to Message 3128.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have 3 stragglers that don't seem to want to go out. The newest is from 9/22

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3217 - Posted 13 Oct 2007 11:39:26 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Only 2 stragglers left - both AthlonXP 2400 (linux)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            wish I had as few as others seem to be concerned about, lol.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3610 - Posted 28 Oct 2007 6:18:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I wonder why my AMD X2 with Linux have so big problems getting any wingmen.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              X2s should be in the same group as A64 and Opterons, aren't they?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The very few wing brothers it has gotten are all X2s.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3620 - Posted 28 Oct 2007 11:44:46 UTC - in response to Message 3610.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wonder why my AMD X2 with Linux have so big problems getting any wingmen.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                X2s should be in the same group as A64 and Opterons, aren't they?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The very few wing brothers it has gotten are all X2s.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have AMD Opterons on Linux and have very low Pendings, plus I get paired with other AMD types as well as the Opterons. So don't know why you are having trouble.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                One perhaps for you to work out Scott?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Possibly left an old HR group in there that should of been melded into the bigger AMD pool?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                EDIT: Sorry, I just checked and all mine have been validated with other Opteron computers. I was sure that the X2's were included in this group.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think they could still be but a preference may go to the actual processor that is being reported??? Could be wrong there though.
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